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The SWM is around £8k, if the CCM version is 20kgs lighter, uses the same Tractive rear suspension as the 450 and is under £10k it should be competitive, but this will be a crowded space with various 270 degree, twins coming to the market over the next couple of years
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The SWM is around £8k, if the CCM version is 20kgs lighter, uses the same Tractive rear suspension as the 450 and is under £10k it should be competitive, but this will be a crowded space with various 270 degree, twins coming to the market over the next couple of years
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 "Crowded space" indeed.
Seems to me both the SWM and proposed CCM may have priced themselves right out of the market ... at least here in USA.
The new KTM 790 P-Twin (not set for release until late 2018 or early '19) "should" sell from $11K to $12K USD. The new Yamaha Tenere' T-7 probably will sell for "about" same amount. All these "rough" prices gleaned on line.
IMO, a 10K UKP 450 ADV bike (around USD $15K) will be a very hard sell in USA considering competition.
Most riders ... if they are honest ... are going to look closely at their requirement for travel and may realize that a Kawasaki KLR650, Suzuki DR650 or Honda XR650L will do the job perfectly for 95% of what they intend to do. Relatively cheap and reliable. Not flashy or trendy, but tough and competent, won't win any Moto Cross races or Enduros but cheap to run and great to load up and GO!
I can buy 3 DR650's for cost of ONE CCM.
I wish CCM well, hope they can break through with a new engine and get it certified Euro 4. For USA, that is the toughest hurdle for small OEM's.
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Molliedog,
None of those bikes are currently available in the UK.
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Molliedog,
None of those bikes are currently available in the UK.
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For good reasons - you are referencing the old stuff from the Japanese.
Nevertheless, it is taking a while for the message to sink in with those who don't actually get the new bikes imported into places such as the USA --
CCM sold every one of the GP450 bikes they manufactured.
They gave every appearance of considering the USA market but found that they didn't need it.
The company remain in business, meeting a market that is much more bespoke, even specialised, than the mass produced "stack them high and sell them cheap" market; there is room for both in this world and it is the way that the UK needs to move, increasingly, in the future (it is what the UK has been doing for some time in any case).
For those who aren't aware, SWM are producing their Euro 4 compliant engine in the "old" Italian factory that is actually newly built -- the one that was updated by BMW when they manufactured Husqvarna machines there.
The whole SWM shebang has been financed with Chinese money, via Shineray I believe (that last bit would need an amount of further research for anyone who is really interested in such things).
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Wanted: Wide ratio gears ccm gp450
https://www.novaracing.co.uk/Product...t20082011.html
I contacted Nova Racing this week.
This was the reply:
Unfortunately we have not got any of these in stock. We have not had enough
interest in them to manufacture a batch for some time now.
If we had orders for 4-5 we would put a batch into manufacture. The price
would be £1200 + carriage (around £35) + vat.
Is anybody interested in purchasing the gears ???
I need only three more and they will start to manufacture...
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