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Love the look of the T7 but its too lardy and tall for me I had a 660 Tenere and loved it but I've got short legs and the bike was too wide for me to get a good standover height to really enjoy it off road and the front end was heavy so suffered in muddy conditions. So sadly i wont be in the market for one. KTM might swing me with the 390 adventure unless Yamaha utilise the MT 03 engine and do a T3 now we're talking but its probably at least 2 years away!

I'm waiting to know the wet weight too. There is some hope. The MT07 is about 399lbs wet. If they don't mess things up. Maybe the new tenere will weight 410-415. The xt660z was 452lbs wet. That was too much.

If it comes with plenty of travel you may have a chance to lower the bike to fit you.

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I'm waiting to know the wet weight too. There is some hope. The MT07 is about 399lbs wet. If they don't mess things up. Maybe the new tenere will weight 410-415. The xt660z was 452lbs wet. That was too much.

If it comes with plenty of travel you may have a chance to lower the bike to fit you.

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To be fair, the XT660Z did hold 23 litres of fuel... if you compared it using a like-for-like fuel load, it wan't much heavier than an F650GS - ie. in the ball-park for a long-distance travel thumper (screen/fairing, good seat, big gas-tank, strong subframe etc. etc.) - plus the 205Kg wet-weight was also the ABS version as I recall...

Even without such a large tank, I can't imagine the twin-cylinder T700 is realistically going to weigh significantly less than the 660Z did as stock, but hopefully it will be similar at least - and with the option to easily strip off a few parts (such as a heavy OEM exhaust and passenger foot-pegs etc.) to help compensate for any accessories you want to add.

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ohh I just checked out that video and found some info as I noticed it has an English license plate on it! So i ran some checks the bike was registered back in the Uk March 2018 and it is 689cc.
for info. Motor manufacturers often use the UK for registering pre-production and limited-run machines, since the SVA (single vehicle type-approval) system means odd-balls can be inspected and registered without being fully homologated - this is why you often see factory Dakar bikes (the Honda HRC team for example) on UK plates - even though the bikes themselves may have originated in Japan. It's essentially a way to get a legitimate [road] registration document for them without having to jump through too many hoops, prior to the actual production machines being available.

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Seems to me lots will depend on how well Yamaha do with the chassis design.
We hear about heavy bikes "riding light" all the time. In this case that feature will really matter. It's got to feel light, even if it's not.

Will you need help picking it up? You bet. But forget Yamaha's hype and videos portraying the T7 as some sort of near Dakar race competitor. Not a chance.

It's funny actually .. if you look close at some of the videos once in a while they let slip a hard landing or a place where you can see the bike goes out of control
(as heavy bikes do when pushed hard off road).

Important part is how nicely will the bike ride for the average rider riding moderate off road. If it feels good, is not too tall, it could work well for a LOT of rider/travelers.

Other key to do with chassis design is how well the bike handles ON ROAD.
It will have a HARD time matching the surprising handling of the latest R1200GS. For a huge bike, that BMW goes round the corners very well ... even fully loaded.

The Yamaha will have to do the same. As we all know, like the GS's, big KTM's and Tenere's, this new T7 will still spend most of it's life ON ROAD.

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I bet T700 won't be lighter then xt660z tenere no ABS version which is 206kg,
but power to weight ratio will be finally proper Unfortunately looking for
the shape of new bike it will be also top heavy as tenere was.

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I'm inclined to think the question is not how does the T7 compare to the 660 Tenere, but rather how does it compare to the KTM 790?
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I'm inclined to think the question is not how does the T7 compare to the 660 Tenere, but rather how does it compare to the KTM 790?
they won't compare, will be totally different beasts. You know already how MT07 compares to ktm bikes
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To be fair, the XT660Z did hold 23 litres of fuel... if you compared it using a like-for-like fuel load, it wan't much heavier than an F650GS - ie. in the ball-park for a long-distance travel thumper (screen/fairing, good seat, big gas-tank, strong subframe etc. etc.) - plus the 205Kg wet-weight was also the ABS version as I recall...

Even without such a large tank, I can't imagine the twin-cylinder T700 is realistically going to weigh significantly less than the 660Z did as stock, but hopefully it will be similar at least - and with the option to easily strip off a few parts (such as a heavy OEM exhaust and passenger foot-pegs etc.) to help compensate for any accessories you want to add.

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If the info from the interview with Nick Sanders is accurate. The new tenere 700 is supposed to weight around 170kg (374lbs). It is far from the xt660z. Even if you substract 12-15lbs to the xt660z because of the larger gas tank, the new Tenere is way lighter. It also weights 70kg less than the Super Tenere. It looks like Yamaha did their homework.

https://www.adventurebikerider.com/n...as-tenere-700/

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If the info from the interview with Nick Sanders is accurate. The new tenere 700 is supposed to weight around 170kg (374lbs). It is far from the xt660z. Even if you substract 12-15lbs to the xt660z because of the larger gas tank, the new Tenere is way lighter. It also weights 70kg less than the Super Tenere. It looks like Yamaha did their homework.

https://www.adventurebikerider.com/n...as-tenere-700/

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I wouldnt hold my breath, at least until we get some factsheets and specs about this bike. Maybe some time into the new decade...

The Tracer model with the same engine is probably the nearest we come in size and weight and with a 17 liter tank it comes out at 196 kilos wet. https://www.autoevolution.com/moto/y...racer-2016-700

With maybe a bit bigger gas tank and equipped for handling offroad riding the T7 is not gonna be any lighter than the Tracer, and it will NEVER come in at 170 kilos dry.
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I wouldnt hold my breath, at least until we get some factsheets and specs about this bike. Maybe some time into the new decade...

The Tracer model with the same engine is probably the nearest we come in size and weight and with a 17 liter tank it comes out at 196 kilos wet. https://www.autoevolution.com/moto/y...racer-2016-700

With maybe a bit bigger gas tank and equipped for handling offroad riding the T7 is not gonna be any lighter than the Tracer, and it will NEVER come in at 170 kilos dry.
You may be right Snakeboy. In the meantime, here is the latest video:

https://youtu.be/Dezt7D_jjfc
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If the info from the interview with Nick Sanders is accurate. The new tenere 700 is supposed to weight around 170kg (374lbs). It is far from the xt660z. Even if you substract 12-15lbs to the xt660z because of the larger gas tank, the new Tenere is way lighter. It also weights 70kg less than the Super Tenere. It looks like Yamaha did their homework.
no, it is not accurate. He got all numbers wrong. He states it will be on pair with small tenere which obviously is not 170 kg. Besides new T7 engine is based on naked MT07 which weighs 181 kg so when you added all adv stuff like bigger tank, protection etc it will be way heavier. Anyway same way as xt660z (206kg) is fine with that engine for me.
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My XSR was 185kg with 14L of fuel, so that's 175 dry.
Can't see the T7 being 170, even dry.
T7 looks like full cradle frame, is longer, taller (than XSR/MT).
Wheels might be lighter.

More from Nick in today's MCN
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/...ha-tenere-700/
Probably another version of ABR

But whatever it weighs, looks like it'll be a great travel bike by Jap standards. Maybe even the best Tenere in a long time. The motor is provenly brilliant; all that's needed is suspension to match and somewhere to go.

They say it will be announced at EICMA show in a couple of weeks.
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Based on Yamaha website, the new Tenere 700 will be available in second half of 2020. They are taking forever.

It has a 4.2gallon tank. No weight spec. yet.

More info here:

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/ad...els/tenere-700


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Could that refer to Yamaha USA only? (Don't know why).

Lot of talk of 2019 from EICMA:
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...max-eicma-show
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