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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
Yes 109 50.00%
No 46 21.10%
No.. But things MUST change 38 17.43%
I don't care 14 6.42%
Undecided 11 5.05%
Voters: 218. This poll is closed

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...The general feeling from this thread has been very anti Europe...
But your poll currently has the 'NO to leave' camps in the lead.

I wonder if you are insulated to a degree by being based in the Wirral and comfortably away from the migration hotspots. London always has been a melting pot of different nationalities and cultures but it's got to the stage where white UK-born people represent less than 50% of the total population.

Some people have longer memories of what happened and there's some awkward criticisms that benefit from being aired. It is said Labour Party politicians welcomed high levels of immigration on the basis that (1) the incoming migrants were typically more likely to be natural Labour Party voters, and (2) would likely vote Labour in thanks for the opening of borders. If true, this would be gerrymandering on a grand scale. At best it was an ill-considered social engineering project to make Britain multicultural.

When the EU expanded to the east in 2004 with the accession of the 'A10 countries' Tony Blair didn't have to open the UK to the Poles, Latvians, Lithuanians and other eastern Europeans. But he did and hundreds of thousands came.

They came to the UK because the Germans and others had restrictions in place for seven years—this is the origin of the proposed seven-year emergency brake for the UK. But this is all too late, I doubt we will get the seven-year brake and in any case it's locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I hasten to state I have no dislike of the Poles who I think are generally hard working and are not a burden to welfare, but it has placed increasing strain on our infrastructure—schools, hospitals, etc. But what I do find difficult to swallow is the reaction of the Polish government to suggestions from the EU that they shoulder some of the migration load. Seeing the country has been emptied by migration westwards, you would think they have space to spare, but apparently, Poles don't understand immigrants, don't want them. They fear immigrants take work away from Poles which is a bit rich when you consider what happened in the UK.

Everything I've written above has to do with migration, but I think it's too late to do much about that. As I've said before, my issue and the same for many other people is the increasing loss of sovereignty that the EU threatens.
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