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Merkel made her bed, and as the saying goes...she can now lay in it. Yes I feel a bit sorry for the Germans now but just because she dropped the ball doesn't mean to say we in the rest of Europe should suffer...sometimes I am really pleased we are not joined to the mainland
As for an European Army  ...its nearly as funny as been a member of NATO. Putin must laugh himself to sleep on a night when he thinks of NATO, he waltzed into Crimea and now his troops are another area of Ukraine (even though he denies it) and what has NATO or anyone in the EU done to protect our borders? Nothing, they did a bit of shouting and did some sanctions. Even the US was not bothered, maybe because it was in Europe or maybe because there is no oil? I know the Ukraine is not a member of NATO or the EU but it is still part of mainland Europe and not Russia.
I served in HM Forces and it should remain Her Majesties Forces. We do not need to be run by some Spanish or French General being told what to do by people who don't like curved bananas and don't have a back bone. Serving in a Regiment which is the 309th Battalion of the European Army does not appeal to me nor probably to any of the Men and Women who are serving their country now.
I also get fed up of my country paying billions to help support the EU and the lesser countries within it when we can not look after our own elderly, homeless, sick etc. Maybe we should worry about ourselves for a bit before we worry about others?
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The US and Nato were supposed to back the Ukraine simply over turning over their Nukes shotly after they became independent. The US with the usual jelly backbone of Obuma did nothing to support, not even a show of strength which in all reality would have been enough. As you said Putin is laughing at how easy all this is. Putin is playing chess while Nato is playing hop scotch.
As for interests, actually there is a major energy interest in the area which I am surprised the EU did not stand and do more to secure. The Gas Interests for the EU come in a large part though the Ukraine.
Russia, Ukraine Reach Deal on Gas Supplies in EU-Brokered Talks - Bloomberg Business
Russia is owning this, now, and especially in the Future as their oil/gas reserves are absolutely Immense and the world will be wondering what happened in the not so distant future as Russia laughs all the way to the bank.
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Thanks for your valuable input
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Should Britain leave the E.U. ???
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I have voted both Labour and Conservative and to be quite honest even my neighbours dog would be better to have in than Corbyn, god help use if he gets his claws in
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The KGB offered Michael Foot a job when he had naff all chance of picking anything else up. He was also in with a chance in Scotland. I doubt either opportunity will be offered to Corbyn!
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Energy supplies
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The US and Nato were supposed to back the Ukraine simply over turning over their Nukes shotly after they became independent. The US with the usual jelly backbone of Obuma did nothing to support, not even a show of strength which in all reality would have been enough. As you said Putin is laughing at how easy all this is. Putin is playing chess while Nato is playing hop scotch.
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This reflects on "real politik" - how the rhetoric rarely matches the reality, especially because the public have short memories.
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As for interests, actually there is a major energy interest in the area which I am surprised the EU did not stand and do more to secure. The Gas Interests for the EU come in a large part though the Ukraine.
Russia, Ukraine Reach Deal on Gas Supplies in EU-Brokered Talks - Bloomberg Business
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That gas supply has been something of a political football for a while.
It amounts to about 10% of the gas supplies from East to West into Europe (from reading elsewhere) and most of it ends up in Germany, as it happens.
The Ukraine takes a "piece along the way" as payment for the leasing of the pipeline which is handy for them because their economy is bust.
Some commentary says that a reason to depose the Assad regime in Syria is to enable the construction of a "Sunni" pipeline from the middle east into Europe, thereby putting more pressure on Putins' Russia.
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The new world order
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Among others, that's the main purpose of this crazy idea of cashless societies although the official retoric goes by the lines of fighting dirty money flows.
Many, many banks around the world along with many, many countries are virtually bankrupt. Warren Buffet once said that it's only when the tide goes that we see who's been swimming naked. Soon will come the day when the tide goes, this being, when interest rates start going back to more usual levels. Then, many banks and governments won't be able to refinance their current debt so this thing of the cashless comes very handy. It becomes easy to just do a haircut on depositors or even confiscate money directly from people's bank accounts effectivelly bailing-in banks and countries. The owners of the money won't have a say in the subject, at all.
It's one of the issues which concerns me most in the last year or so.
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Just to pick up on a couple of points.
The money that "you have in a bank account" is no longer yours.
By putting it on deposit into the account you become a creditor of the bank and the bank is a debtor to you.
It may be a matter of "if interest rates return to normal levels" whatever we may define as normal.
Arguably, the world cannot afford the historical interest rates and so they won't occur despite what the USA Fed tried to do recently.
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The money that "you have in a bank account" is no longer yours.
By putting it on deposit into the account you become a creditor of the bank and the bank is a debtor to you.
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That is correct. Unfortunatelly that relation is rarely understood by the people. However, you are a creditor to the bank, this being, the bank must pay you back what you borrowed it. The main purpose of this rubish is that, if the bank is in trouble, that contract is severed and you don't receive a part of what you borrowed to the bank.
There are ways around this state of affairs, of course. However, mostly these are not available to the main street by a long shot. Therefore, when worst comes to happen, it will be the middle classes the ones who will end up hurting much. Those who can afford it already took the necessary steps to protect the bulk of their assets.
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It may be a matter of "if interest rates return to normal levels" whatever we may define as normal.
Arguably, the world cannot afford the historical interest rates and so they won't occur despite what the USA Fed tried to do recently.
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The world can not afford them... today. Give it time. The return of the interest rates to normal levels, however, is just one of the things that can start a cascade of events. There are others. A new crash which deplects further the value of bank's assets, another example.
If this thing of the cashless society moves forward (DNB in Norway said something on that particular yesterday which should be read carefully) it won't be a transitory thing. It will be permanent. Can you say how will the world be in, say, 10 years?
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Quite so.
As for forecasting the future, no one 10 years ago would have said that we are where we are now.
Perhaps, more relevant, is that those pulling the strings don't need to look forward anything like 10 years.
It may be that they only have to look forward, say, 3 months and pull the strings to suit their purposes. We puppets will dance accordingly.
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Do the pupeteers still really control events? Or do they even exist?
There are tons of issues in the world right now which seem to have gone astray. The world economy is just one of them but look at the MENA region, even Europe in several itens, the South China Sea with several itens there as well, Japan both internally and in what concerns its relations with China, the strong possibility of a major world war, etc, etc, etc. There is too much going wrong for one to think about some sort of pupeteers. Maybe several "pupeteers", each trying to defend its interests but which in the end will be bad for almost everybody. Not everybody, though.
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Stuff the EU
Stuff the EU, with all the rules and regulations. The EU is just one big black hole sucking money in from the rich countries and giving to the poor. Britain is not been any better off with all of the foreigner's flooding into the country claiming benefit. I think that if Britain gets out of the EU then that will be the beginning of the end of the EU. It is strange now that Britain can get many rules changed now that they indicated they want out. They should of listened to Enoch Powel.
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This reflects on "real politik" - how the rhetoric rarely matches the reality, especially because the public have short memories.
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As a dearly departed atty friend said, so long as people have their bread, they are happy.
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That gas supply has been something of a political football for a while.
It amounts to about 10% of the gas supplies from East to West into Europe (from reading elsewhere) and most of it ends up in Germany, as it happens.
The Ukraine takes a "piece along the way" as payment for the leasing of the pipeline which is handy for them because their economy is bust.
Some commentary says that a reason to depose the Assad regime in Syria is to enable the construction of a "Sunni" pipeline from the middle east into Europe, thereby putting more pressure on Putins' Russia.
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Rarely are our conflicts ever about anything other than industry in some capacity.
I would encourage anyone to read http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...e_Pirate_Coast which covers how Americas policy of installing puppet dictators for commerce got started.
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Do the pupeteers still really control events? Or do they even exist?
There is too much going wrong for one to think about some sort of pupeteers. Maybe several "pupeteers", each trying to defend its interests but which in the end will be bad for almost everybody. Not everybody, though.
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This guy can write on the subject better than I.
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/01...d-why-we-wont/
He doesn't always get things right in his blog - in the sense that I don't always agree with him - but he always writes from the heart as he sees things and he is entitled to that, for now anyway 
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It does lie in the nature of man himself - the selfish gene basically.
You guys were latecomers to this - 1804 and just finding your feet in the world - and went about displacing the British Empire.
In turn we had done for the Spanish interests in the new world and had a fair amount of effort directed toward the Dutch, to name two other nations.
But, most of our effort was directed to "enabling" compliant foreign governments to trade with us - at the latter we were pretty successful e.g. in India.
Some historians would say that Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown because he couldn't be bothered any longer - he had a better job to go to, as Governor of India.
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Cashless coming sooner than we realise
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If this thing of the cashless society moves forward (DNB in Norway said something on that particular yesterday which should be read carefully) it won't be a transitory thing. It will be permanent. Can you say how will the world be in, say, 10 years?
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Just to add to the cashless society equation, the money in circulation as notes and coins is about 3% of the economy in the UK. I would think that the % is similar for other "advanced" economies.
Therefore, it would just be a case of removing a small element of the role of money from the economy - we are on the way with contactless cards as a recent device to convince us all of the convenience factor.
I expect that the gypsies would develop a work-around however, for their own purposes.
Crypto-currencies perhaps?
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Who is John Ward??
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Thanks!
Your right wing comment is bizarre though: do you know this John Ward?
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/about/
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