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Im back to voting out.. :/
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I'm tempted to vote to stay in. I'm also tempted to vote to leave. It's a fine line at the moment. I could go either way.
As an expert on 'Couldn'tgiveatossology' my professional opinion is that it doesn't really matter which way I vote, so on that basis I won't bother. There you go, my mind is now made up. A simple non-scientific thought process has brought my dilemma to a swift conclusion 
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I'm tempted to vote to stay in. I'm also tempted to vote to leave. It's a fine line at the moment. I could go either way.
As an expert on 'Couldn'tgiveatossology' my professional opinion is that it doesn't really matter which way I vote, so on that basis I won't bother. There you go, my mind is now made up. A simple non-scientific thought process has brought my dilemma to a swift conclusion |
See if this changes your mind:-
Last Wednesday night, the European Union’s Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee quietly passed a chilling piece of legislation. It calls for every one of the 500 million people who live in the EU to be given a ‘European Taxpayer Identification Number’, or EUTIN for short.
The remainiacs will say this is a scare story but there is only one reason the commission wants you on its tax books and we all know what it is; we already have the "without representation" here comes the "taxation" bit.
If you vote remain expect the EU to put its hand in your pocket in addition to the UK government. Vote Leave.
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... The [supporters of Remain] will say this is a scare story...
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See if this changes your mind:-
Last Wednesday night, the European Union’s Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee quietly passed a chilling piece of legislation. It calls for every one of the 500 million people who live in the EU to be given a ‘European Taxpayer Identification Number’, or EUTIN for short.
The remainiacs will say this is a scare story but there is only one reason the commission wants you on its tax books and we all know what it is; we already have the "without representation" here comes the "taxation" bit.
If you vote remain expect the EU to put its hand in your pocket in addition to the UK government. Vote Leave.
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It doesn't. All it shows is that you are subscribing to a particular opinion or belief. If someone in opposition had came out with a counter-argument then that may have made as much impact on you or someone else.
Please tell me of one occasion....just one... when a politician said something that was genuinely and sincerely in the best interest of the majority. I make one exception .......Nelson Mandela, and even that will court controversy.
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Simple research, the Regulation you quoted was only proposed, even MAG's own website regarding this hasn't been updated since 2012
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Duh! Because 2012 was when the legislation was implemented - and it was implemented; approved by the European Parliament by huge majority (643 in favour, 16 against). Do try to keep up old chap 
I must say, it is quite a unique stance to take that the EU is not anti-motorcycle given their past history and a view few here will subscribe to however they intend to vote on freedom day.
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It doesn't. All it shows is that you are subscribing to a particular opinion or belief. If someone in opposition had came out with a counter-argument then that may have made as much impact on you or someone else.
No - what is shows is the implementation of legislation to give you an EU tax number. They are diligently building their own mechanism for taxation.
Please tell me of one occasion....just one... when a politician said something that was genuinely and sincerely in the best interest of the majority. I make one exception .......Nelson Mandela, and even that will court controversy.
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You got me there - we do indeed live in a Kakocracy. But, why would you vote or vote by neglect (in not voting) for more of them in the form of the EU when a simple cross in a box will contribute to their demise? It is little enough effort to make.
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Oooo ..more bold text.
So why didn't you post a link to the actual legislation rather than the proposal????
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If that cock womble gets in power I'll give it six months before he's either assassinated or he starts WW3.
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What an interesting turn of phrase you have Ted! The world survived 8 years of the cock womble W, so we'll outlive The Donald too! Does the US not realise what a laughing stock they're becoming just having him in the final of the 2016 Presidents' World Series.
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And Chris... I'm not fiddling with your ring antenna. People will talk.
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Twiddle, not fiddle! !!!!! NICE USE OF BOLD FONT AND COLOUR DONT YOU THINK!?
So, a cock womble walks into a Starbucks, twiddling his ring antenna around his finger and says to the server: Give me a skinny latte, no olives.
Oh yeah, my view on the topic the op asked about
I'm not feeling lucky.
Note the use of a link (assuming it works!!  ) rather than spamming up the entire site with copy/pasted stuff
There’s nothing a Brexiter loves more than a good conspiracy | Opinion | The Guardian
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Care to explain why a marketing manager for a pretty minor manufacturer is an expert on this and 100% correct whilst every other expert, economist, forecaster who doesn't comply with your view of the world is wrong?
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We're at cross purposes. The issue at discussion was pending EU anti bike legislation as illustrated by him in his explanation as to why Triumph employ anti-tamper software in their ECU's.
As to his political views, I have no idea, why would I?
Clearly TheWarden is not open to reason and I'm not going to change his view but that's OK.
The poster XS904 raised the issue of EU regulation and what effect it has on us bikes. For others interested in this issue Right To Ride EU does sterling work on our behalf fighting anti-bike EU regulation. One look at this page of their web site illustrates the extent of their campaigns Regulation News Releases but it also illustrates my point on the sheer hostility the EU has to us all and our biking freedoms. Sadly, RTR, MAG, FEMA and the other campaigning groups have only limited success against the relentless weight of EU regulation. Happily we in the UK now have the opportunity to free ourselves from all this bollocks and VOTE LEAVE
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We're at cross purposes. The issue at discussion was pending EU anti bike legislation as illustrated by him in his explanation as to why Triumph employ anti-tamper software in their ECU's.
As to his political views, I have no idea, why would I?
Clearly TheWarden is not open to reason and I'm not going to change his view but [/U][/B]
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I guess that's a no you can't then. What not even in a 10,000 word essay?
We're not at cross purposes you rolled out his words to support your agenda that the EU is going to implement legislation that you don't like. The fact being that this was yet more lies and propaganda.
They may well do in the future as may a brexit government in the name of environment or safety but that's irrelevant.
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I work in the Low Cost airline (LCC) industry, was in at the beginning in the '90's. Last week Mick O'Leary CEO of Ryan Air shared a platform with Ed Balls, Gideon Osborne and Vince Cable in defence of the EU and advocating remain.
Here is a lecture Mick O'Leary gave five years ago to the EU Innovation Convention (a contradiction in terms?) in which he eviscerates the EU Commission and all its works. It is well worth watching not only for the sheer hypocrisy of Mick's more recent alignments but for the home truths he hilariously exposes in the Commissions own offices. WELL worth watching
This is so fecking hilarious - it just gets funnier each time I watch it!
One might reasonably ask why Mick now adores the EU? Well, Ryan Air is no longer the "challenger” airline up against the vested interests of state airlines, it IS the largest airline in the EU with its own vested interests and seeks protective the red tape and invisible barriers of the EU to prevent more efficient, lower cost challenger airlines for entering the market and undercutting them. Simples.
This perfectly illustrates the lies of the REMAINIACS in claiming they work on our behalf and prices will go up and shows how "vested interests" are at work. Only way to to show 'em (and get lower air fares) is to VOTE LEAVE
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... This perfectly illustrates the lies of the REMAINIACS in claiming they work on our behalf and prices will go up and shows how "vested interests" are at work. Only way to to show 'em (and get lower air fares) is to leave.
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Could you use your industry experience to explain the mechanic of how leaving the EU would lower air fares to UK citizens? Not phishing. It's a genuine question to which I'd like to understand the answer.
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It’s curious that you align yourself with that Guardian newspaper opinion piece in which the only argument they can muster against us BREXITER’s is the old conspiracy theorist trope. Curious in that that newspaper is the foremost (UK) promoter of the “one percent” trope which has it that 1% of the world controls the other 99%.
Actually, of all things it is the remain campaign that has opened my eyes to the truth of that particular trope. The REMAINIACS have the entire media, the entire establishment, every big organisation in the world, all the money, from the banks, from the government, from the EU, from the corporations, they have the televisions, the newspapers, the social media networking sites, the MPs, the foreign Presidents and Prime Ministers, the military, the intelligence services, the 90 yr old veterans, the police, the charities, the stars, celebrities and virtue signallers, the universities and the crooked academics - almost the entire financial, political, media, military/industrial, intelligence agency, cultural, academic and anything-else-you-can-think-of strength against the Brexit campaign. Perhaps there’s something to this conspiracy theory after all.
But they still can't win.
The irony is that voting remain endorses and aligns you with the 1%.
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It’s curious that you align yourself with that Guardian newspaper opinion piece in which the only argument they can muster against us BREXITER’s is the old conspiracy theorist trope. Curious in that that newspaper is the foremost (UK) promoter of the “one percent” trope which has it that 1% of the world controls the other 99%.
Actually, of all things it is the remain campaign that has opened my eyes to the truth of that particular trope. The REMAINIACS have the entire media, the entire establishment, every big organisation in the world, all the money, from the banks, from the government, from the EU, from the corporations, they have the televisions, the newspapers, the social media networking sites, the MPs, the foreign Presidents and Prime Ministers, the military, the intelligence services, the 90 yr old veterans, the police, the charities, the stars, celebrities and virtue signallers, the universities and the crooked academics - almost the entire financial, political, media, military/industrial, intelligence agency, cultural, academic and anything-else-you-can-think-of strength against the Brexit campaign. Perhaps there’s something to this conspiracy theory after all.
But they still can't win.
The irony is that voting remain endorses and aligns you with the 1%.
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The reason I read the Guardian online is that their journalism is pretty good and it's free. You have to pay for the Torygraph and I refuse to consume anything generated by that monster Murdoch.
Am currently travelling in foreign lands and it's great to read proper big long sentences in English. My Spanish is shite and most latinos' English is average to poor and after the usual pidgin chit chat I'm on my own with my kindle or BBC/Guardian news apps for the rest of the evening.
Talking to North American teenage backpackers isn't even an option when they start on their The Donald vs Hilary tripe.
I don't align myself with anyone or anything. I felt that particular piece of journalism fully matched my view, enforced by the fact that I in no way respect the 3 brexit mouth pieces Johnson (complete buffoon), Farage (I pronounce his name like a working class man would pronounce garage, the least bad of the 3, imho) and the most vile monster on the planet, Gove (I'm a teacher...)
The EEC/EC/EU has imho helped keep peace in Europe in my parents lifetimes and hopefully for the rest of mine too.
As this is a m/c travel forum, I'll leave this as my last serious contribution to this thread. I might however throw in random bollox just to see if anyone rises to the bait  
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The reason I read the Guardian online is that their journalism is pretty good and it's free.
I don't align myself with anyone or anything. I felt that particular piece of journalism fully matched my view, enforced by the fact that I in no way respect the 3 brexit mouth pieces Johnson (complete buffoon), Farage (I pronounce his name like a working class man would pronounce garage, the least bad of the 3, imho) and the most vile monster on the planet, Gove (I'm a teacher...)
The EEC/EC/EU has imho helped keep peace in Europe in my parents lifetimes and hopefully for the rest of mine too.
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Wait – you're a Guardian reading, Farage/Boris/Gove hating teacher and you are a remainiac? Who'd have thunk it?  
(PS – scary men with guns standing face to face against other scary men with guns keep you safe – and they are NATO.)
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Great analogy. But there are too many monkeys. And they control the police, media and armed forces..
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