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But I can give one example which sumarizes it all. The EU itself.
Sorry flagging that for hyperbole!

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So, I repeat myself. The utter disregard for reality and science is not something which occurs exceptionally in the EU. It's its basis. Its creation was politically decided without any sort of feasibility studies supporting the political decision and the EU has moved by political decision ever since.
Your logic is faulty. Ideas drive the creation of things and the practicalities are are working process. Complex institutions or political structures don't fall out of the sky intact, things like United States, The Soviet Union, even the Nation State itself evolve over time through conflict. As a secondary note, by which 'reality' and what scientific papers specifically where 'utterly' disregarded and by whom? What science are you referring to in general?


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Well, it depends from where you see it. I, for one, have always seen the implosion of the EU as a certainty. Not a matter of if but of when. From where I see it, the sooner, the better. As time passes more ressentment is created and the probabilities to salvage from the rumble, at least a little something resembling the former EEC, are reduced proportionally.

Not biased then? Either way, faulty logic here too. One day the USA, even the idea of the nation states itself will disappear and be replaced by something else, I don't see how this contributes to the debate or how it would convince anyone the EU is workable or unworkable in the present or immediate future.
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Ideas drive the creation of things and the practicalities are are working process.
Well, Napoleon also had ideas. If they were feasible or not... well, I think history already answered that.

I'm not biased against the EU. As a matter of fact I would like it to indeed work as envisaged. However that's not the reality and could never be the reality for it was utopic. As reality trumps personal beliefs I stick to reality and adjust my positioning according to reality. My personal beliefs are irrelevant.
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