Before the EU could I have gone and lived for 12 months in a camper van in the south coast of Spain ? Could I have legally worked whilst doing that and receive free medical treatment and legal assistance if needed ??

A serious question.

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Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.

Yes you could just like today. There are some misconceptions regarding medical treatment in EU countries. As a citizen of an European country you are entitled to receive only emergency care in any other European country in the same conditions as the other country's citizens. You can't receive extended care without being a resident. Up until the recent economic crisis everybody closed the eyes to several things, medical treatments included. Spain is one of the countries which treated everybody irrespective of nationality, either from another EU country or from somewhere else. In fact, Spain was a destination for health tourism with even Americans going to Spain to receive free medical treatment. With the crisis several governments (the Spanish one of them) went back to the library and started reading the exact wording of the treaties, curbing what they used to provide to others in strict accordance with the letter of the Treaty of the European Union.

When in the past, in order to live in Spain, you just had to go to the police and register, now, you are able to register only if you have a job or, if not, if you show evidence of being a person of independent means and a full health insurance policy with full coverage. Otherwise you can not register as a EU resident. This has always been the wording of the treaties. You can go to look for work in another EU country for a maximum of 90 days. After that you either have a job and can stay or you do not and have to go back. Before the crisis nobody really minded this but now several countries do.

I'm pretty sure you can stay as long as you like in any EU country. Working or not. There is no 90 day limitation.

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Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.

For some reason many people think so. But that is not the wording of the treaties and never has been. The basis is article 45 (if my memory serves me right) of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union with regulamentation done with several minor directives.

As I said, you can not even register as a resident in several countries these days without having a job nor have medical care other than for emergencies, etc, etc. Now, you can go and stay in a country without being a resident, yes, you can, for it's hard to show for how long you have been in the country. But in most, without having a registration number your life will be very hard. Even to open a non-resident bank account you will have trouble these days.

In any event you can read the link below for a brief explanation.

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.o...eedom-movement

I had no idea.... I've never heard that. But I'm naive to the politics of Europe.

My girlfriend is Italian and she came to the UK three years ago. She never had any restrictions or problems. After two years she became a resident. She pays more tax than I ever have and as a medical professional, she contributes more than I ever have to society. If we leave Europe, she may have to leave too. That makes no sense to me. Personal feelings aside.

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Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.

A variation on this aspect has been reported in the UK media now and again; in the case of UK nationals who were taking work in Europe before bringing their non-EU spouses back to the UK.
In the cases reported, 90 days of work was needed in some European location before entry to the UK was possible without a vast amount of hassle to those involved; the details of quite why this all work/s/ed escapes me at the moment and I may have the detail wrong but what I do recall is how UK nationals had to jump through a lot of hoops to re-enter the UK after being overseas in specific circumstances.

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Dave

Anti-money laundering regulations lie at the centre of this type of regulation.
Such agreements are unlikely to change in or out of the EU.

Switzerland is an example; they are opening up the detail of who has accounts there to international scrutiny, and gone are the days of secret numbered Swiss bank accounts.

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Yes. I lived in Spain for a year in the early 1970s before we joined the Common Market in 1973 (Spain applied to join in 1977 after democracy was restored).

Yes, though you would have need a work permit. You weren't allowed by Franco's laws to run your own company, it had to be 51% owned by a Spanish national.

No, the reciprocal agreements were not in place, however today's agreements are not dependent on the EU, so could remain.

Not sure what you mean by this. Franco's Spain was a bit 'ad hoc' with legal issues.

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and enlarges the world in which you live," Irving Mather (1892-1966)

Tim, I'm not sure he was refering to those times. I believe he meant before the EU but during the times of the EEC, this being, after 1986 (not 1977) when Spain joined the EEC.

Someone else mentioned it, what everyone else in the EU should fear is exactly what happened to the US, we became federated states which have slowly eliminated cultural differences within said states. This can happen with the modern attack on the south by removing Confederate statues, now before you respond think of the heritage within your present country, the statues you have of ancient leaders who could instantly be subject to this sort of Insanity. I believe England is dealing with some of that as well, as much as I want truth regarding old leaders, they are still a important part of our history.
Slowly but surely we are all being indoctrinated, resist, how boring would Europe be if it ends up like the US. I already hate the fact that English is now all over the world taking away from much of the fun of traveling. Money exchange is also a fun factor of traveling often adding to the adventure of our travels and now? Well you already know. I would also like to mention that currency often represents history within in any country. That history is a instant curiosity to anyone traveling in a given area, how horrible that many have lost that identity entirely.


With all that said If Countries try to leave the EU I get great news programming on the carnage which ensues, reality TV at its best!

How funny is that, just been watching a programme on TV about what the last poster mentioned, removal of the southern flag. You seriously have some nutty fucxxrs over there. Regardless of the issues in this country and the eu,, if someone stood outside one of our government buildings waving a nazi flag yelling sieg heil and white power they would get the shxt kicked out of them by all in sundary regardless of race or creed. and hopefully the local,plod would let go of them at the top of the stairs to the cells.
Am still voting out

You must have been on vacation Neo-nazi London protest - Recap as far-right demonstrate against the 'Jewification' of Britain hits capital - Mirror Online


Explainer: The Rise of Neo-Nazism in Europe : Discovery News

Anglo French relations in autumn 1940 were indeed bad. My Grandfather was part of the cavalry division in Palestine and actually charged the French on horseback. More 1855 than 1940. This as the highlight of a military career than included time in the citadel in Cairo. He said the Sean Connery film" the hill" was accurate enough, in a toned down so as not to make you throw up sort of way. The old boy said motorbikes and going abroad would get me killed


Back on topic I think this will divide the generations. Many who got to vote for the EEC feel cheated it wasn't just a trade deal. My generation feel cheated we didn't get to vote before. The youngsters don't care, they never knew life before the EU. The timing of the vote is critical, Jacques Delors would have got a 90% out vote, if they'd left it until 2025 the turn out would have been less than for the usual European stuff.

Andy

Unfortunately we do not have stairs leading to the cells in general lmao


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I am assuming, based on these postings(being from USA a lot of international news does not come my way) that a vote is near about staying in the EU. There was a lot of coverage about the Scotland vote, so I may be wrong. I do read the BBC site and haven't seen anything. Sorry if I am wrong. However, as a previous person as posted, the US constitution was designed to bring 13 different governments, with different taxes and money, different religious groups and languages together for common economic benefit. Aside from a few minor spats, it has held together fairly well over the years. I understand Switzerland(forgive mispelling, not my strong suit) has 4 languages, three major ethnic groups, and at least 2 different sectarian groups. They also had a few fights to settle issues, and now seem to be holding together okay. I do not know all the issues, and am not big on giving advice, but sometimes things can be worked out for the benefit of all.