No news provider in the world is unbiased some how. The BBC is very Royalist etc. It's paid for by the licence payer who is an audience that needs to be kept happy with what they see.

One has to read news from as many sources as possible and evaluate to their best ability what they believe to be reliable. The more sources the better. My mum is an old women and she reads the Daily Mail. She thinks that's what really goes on in the world and is scared of immigrants because it tells her too. I think it's a vile hatred spreading right wing rag. But I still read it every day.

Know thy enemy

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Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.

I was in a WH Smith branch (a High St newsagents for anyone not from the UK still reading this "debate") yesterday and saw they had a whole shelf of own brand publications about the royals.There was one for each of the main players, complete with suitably regal looking portrait picture on the front cover. What made me smile though was that they'd put them on the top shelf not far from the porno mags, an irony that must have been lost on the store manager.

We probably wave the royals the way Americans wave the stars and stripes - it's a way of giving the population something to gather around / identify with, the feeling that there's something above the money grubbing sleaze that is politics. A kind of national version of good cop / bad cop.

I've been trying for some time to work out whether the Daily Mail is cause or effect. Whether it's leading the charge or just the mouthpiece of people who've "come to that conclusion all by themselves". I'll probably never find out until one of the papers does an article on it - and not even then as I don't buy any of them any more.

Do people buy newspapers to broaden their minds or confirm their prejudices? I used to be an avid reader up until about 10yrs ago but something changed and I still haven't worked out whether it was me or them. Whether the internet forced them into niche areas or whether out of on-line, tv, radio, papers etc something had to give and it was the papers. Now my cynicism knows no bounds, particularly with the Mail's partner in crime, the Daily Express. Their "health miracle of the day" headlines are about as blatant an attempt to sell newspapers to the old, infirm and ill as it's possible to get short of employing Indian computer virus salesmen to do it for you.

Sensible way of looking at it Ted.

I've gone the other way over the last few years, and I don't really follow any of the media. Most was just scaremongering at best, most was bad news.
I'm of the opinion that if you fill your life with too much negativity that some of its got to rub off on you, so I'd rather make my own mind up and react accordingly.




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Anyone else had one of these through the door. It's a very pro EU 'Newsletter' from the 'stronger in' department.

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Did some trips.
Rode some bikes.
Fix them for a living.
Can't say anymore.

You will get an increasing number of pro and anti communications over the next few months, all of which are likely to be misleading to a degree.

I think we need to wait until a draft settlement is actually agreed by the other countries in the EU before it makes any sense analysing what it means.

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and enlarges the world in which you live," Irving Mather (1892-1966)

I find this disturbing:



EU twisting facts to fit political agenda, chief scientist says | EurActiv

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Walkabout, that is not new, at all. As a matter of fact that is the basis of the EU's construction. Since day one it has been a political thing with actions dictated politically with no regard whatsoever for reality or science in several fields. The most notorious is the Euro but it's far from being alone in the bag.

I get that.

Politics dictats in the fields of methods of government, transportation, taxation, housing policy and international relations et al is understood; they are all based on consensus, to use that hackneyed terminology.
But, when a chief scientific advisor feels it necessary to make the statement in that link, after 3 years in post, then it rings alarm bells, of the nature that has been posted in another thread in here - the thread about climate change.

To add:
Science dragged us out of our mud hut hovels and brought us untold benefits - the very basis of modern societies.
The age of enlightenment no less, which was pretty much based on free thinking individuals who gave their all, including their health and their lives in some cases (Madam Curie), for such betterment.

It is an utter disgrace that any politician should think that they can pervert science toward their own ends, their own dogma, their own small mindedness.

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Please provide examples, also the Euro is not the EU.

The problem with the EU is that the 28 nations are not really in control of the EU leaders. People might scorn the lack of accountability of UK government politicians and officials, but in reality the MPs and Select Committees do a pretty good job of holding them to account and nothing of that ilk seems to exist in the EU.

The EU is broken. I see no good alternative for the UK other than withdrawal.

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"For sheer delight there is nothing like altitude; it gives one the thrill of adventure
and enlarges the world in which you live," Irving Mather (1892-1966)

A reflection of the differing expectations of the differing populations? The British democracy with inherited "safety valve" structure has been pretty stable for 200 years and there for close to 400. Our dictators give up the job by themselves when whatever emergency is over. The nearest similar set up is the Netherlands, but only 200 years in total with a gap when things spilled over from Germany. Germany was a dictatorship 70 or 30 years ago depending where you were, Spain 40 years ago and Poland 30. If the population remember Erik Honeke, General Jaraselski and Franco, Jacques Delores and the grey men of the commission seem benign and more stable that students with flags and petrol bombs. This is especially true when they are buying you motorways and handing out cash not to grow stuff.

Giving up freedom for stability seems mad to someone who's never had a Soviet or Nazi secret policeman kick in their front door.

If the UK manages to free itself I wonder how the rest will take their promotion to the rich, developed and therefore contibutable part of the membership?

Andy

Any Authority that is unelected and unaccountable is only going to a bad place....

Well, I guess it's easy for me. My company does 75% of it's business in Euro and 25% in dollars. We leave, the pound collapses, I'm quids in. We leave, the pound strengthens, I and the company move back to France. We stay, I stay.

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

The pound (Sterling) is already tanking .. substantially over the course of just this past weekend. LINK

Plenty to talk about at this year's HUBB UK Meet then .. a few days before the Big R!

Too much excitement for one week!
Will I cope with it all?

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Right Way Round ...

All depends on if you are buying or selling.

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