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The KGB offered Michael Foot a job when he had naff all chance of picking anything else up. He was also in with a chance in Scotland. I doubt either opportunity will be offered to Corbyn!
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Stuff the EU
Stuff the EU, with all the rules and regulations. The EU is just one big black hole sucking money in from the rich countries and giving to the poor. Britain is not been any better off with all of the foreigner's flooding into the country claiming benefit. I think that if Britain gets out of the EU then that will be the beginning of the end of the EU. It is strange now that Britain can get many rules changed now that they indicated they want out. They should of listened to Enoch Powel.
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After reading all of these posts and being inspired to research a lot more about this issue, I've now changed my mind on the E.U.
I think an exit is probably favorable.
However, that would mean every decision about the U.K. and it's citizens would be made by our current government of cold blooded millionaires aristocrats. I don't know whats worse !!!
We'll end up like North Korea 
Nervous comedy aside, this is a 'In a nut shell' in / out summary.
UK and the EU: Better off out or in? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642
So perhaps being free for Europe would be a good thing. But its hard to imagine it's going to be anything else than a painful and expensive divorce as confusion and uncertainty in the market and economy cause havoc. Id expect some kind of recession while the pieces of chessboard are reset.
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Originally Posted by *Touring Ted*
After reading all of these posts and being inspired to research a lot more about this issue, I've now changed my mind on the E.U.
I think an exit is probably favorable.
But its hard to imagine it's going to be anything else than a painful and expensive divorce as confusion and uncertainty in the market and economy cause havoc. Id expect some kind of recession while the pieces of chessboard are reset.
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Don't do it Ted!
It's a lot easier to argue for throwing all of the toys out of the pram and flouncing off than it is for maintaining the arrangements, procedures and agreements we currently have. The BBC link does a passable job of summarising the pros and cons but the whole article is laced with ambiguities and guesses - the economy (for example) will be up 1.6% (outs) or down 9.5% (ins) if we leave. No one knows. If we do leave and then have to renegotiate trade arrangements or any other agreements just hope there isn't a latter day DeGaulle on the other side of the table.
God knows the EU isn't perfect but it is and we are not only part of it, we have to take our share of responsibility for the way it is.
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Don't do it Ted!
It's a lot easier to argue for throwing all of the toys out of the pram and flouncing off than it is for maintaining the arrangements, procedures and agreements we currently have. The BBC link does a passable job of summarising the pros and cons but the whole article is laced with ambiguities and guesses - the economy (for example) will be up 1.6% (outs) or down 9.5% (ins) if we leave. No one knows. If we do leave and then have to renegotiate trade arrangements or any other agreements just hope there isn't a latter day DeGaulle on the other side of the table.
God knows the EU isn't perfect but it is and we are not only part of it, we have to take our share of responsibility for the way it is.
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You actually believe the BBC ? No less a propaganda machine than RT.
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DeGaulle was the best friend Britain ever had in Europe. He was honest enough to say we didn't fit their plan. No trade deal disguise there.
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DeGaulle was the best friend Britain ever had in Europe. He was honest enough to say we didn't fit their plan. No trade deal disguise there.
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DeGaulle was one of those who adhered to the concept of some sort of European Union (back then the EEC but the idea of some sort of Union already existed since the early days of the thing) paid by Germany and rulled politically by France. The presence of the UK in such contraption would go strongly against French interests. Historically, the UK always favoured an equilibrium of forces in the continent. Whenever the German states and later Germany were stronger the UK would favour France and vice-versa. This policy was strongly against DeGaulle's intentions.
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Now there's a dilemma: to bite or not to bite, that is the question. Tell you what, post up some links to an accepted, authoritative and neutral assessment of the pro's and con's of the debate and I'll read it / them with an open mind. After all that's all Ted was asking for in the first place and here we are on, what is it, page twelve?
Failing that, explain to me, line by line, what it is that my gullible gene has been taken in by on that BBC report. If I am too stupid to see the bias or untruths in it at least you'll have saved me from that pitfall. While you're doing that I'll just be talking to the bloke from Microsoft who's just phoned to say they've discovered a problem with my computer and wants to fix it .... 
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Failing that, explain to me, line by line, what it is that my gullible gene has been taken in by on that BBC report. If I am too stupid to see the bias or untruths in it at least you'll have saved me from that pitfall. While you're doing that I'll just be talking to the bloke from Microsoft who's just phoned to say they've discovered a problem with my computer and wants to fix it .... |
Now there’s a thing – The good ol' BBC. Overly liberal-biased news broadcasting aside, the Beeb is a world-leading export, as many of us here who have travelled overseas, will know and appreciate.
Nothing produced abroad comes even close to the high standards of the BBC when it comes to their superb drama productions and documentaries, the natural history docs in particular. The rest of the world looks-on with envy. 
Hell, the licence fee is worth every penny just to watch and listen to Carol Kirkwood present the weather forecasts! 
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Originally Posted by *Touring Ted*
After reading all of these posts and being inspired to research a lot more about this issue, I've now changed my mind on the E.U.
I think an exit is probably favorable.
However, that would mean every decision about the U.K. and it's citizens would be made by our current government of cold blooded millionaires aristocrats. I don't know whats worse !!!
We'll end up like North Korea
Nervous comedy aside, this is a 'In a nut shell' in / out summary.
UK and the EU: Better off out or in? - UK and the EU: Better off out or in? - BBC News
So perhaps being free for Europe would be a good thing. But its hard to imagine it's going to be anything else than a painful and expensive divorce as confusion and uncertainty in the market and economy cause havoc. Id expect some kind of recession while the pieces of chessboard are reset. |
As others have mentioned I don't take much notice of the media, especially MSM.
A skim read of the BBC article indicates to me that it is more or less balanced in that it gives a pros and cons view for each major consideration - the latter have been pretty much covered in here also.
Notably, the two most prosperous countries in the world (according to this think tank, which itself has plenty of journos on its books) are highlighted in the BBC article:
Norway is the Most Prosperous Country in the World
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Statistics in the Legatum article are taken with a dose of scepticism, as is normal for me.
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Al Jazeera, at present anyway, makes a better job of covering world news.
But it too can have agendas, being based in Qatar.
Strangely, The USA channel of Al Jaz is closing down in April this year, just as the Presidential elections are under way.
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Notably, the two most prosperous countries in the world (according to this think tank, which itself has plenty of journos on its books) are highlighted in the BBC article:
Norway is the Most Prosperous Country in the World
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Reading into the prosperity index a little further, specifically the table that shows most countries and the basis for how the table was constructed:
http://www.prosperity.com/#!/ranking
It turns out that a small country in the far east is the most prosperous country in the world, measured solely in economic terms, and it is an ex-British colony.
Namely, Singapore.
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Whatever this nation decides, it will be HUGE gamble with endless consequences.
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Whatever this nation decides, it will be HUGE gamble with endless consequences.
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This government does like to role the dice....
we survived the Scottish succession referendum intact..... This time though I get to vote.... even though I am south of the border in the UK
and as it is only 1 constituency It's got to be fair? we go with the way the majority of the British voted?
How can they manipulate that?
a) change the rules....
You voted the wrong way (like Ireland did) vote again.
I know most of you voted for outcome x but that is still less than 50 / 67 % of you voting for out come x so we will have outcome y (because it is what the politicians wanted anyway)
b) use the media to distort the reality of the situation.
c) cheat.....
The vast majority of our politicians are mad or snollygosters.
(snol·ly·gos·ter (snŏl′ē-gŏs′tər) ->noun Slang ->One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.
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The vast majority of our politicians are mad or snollygosters.
(snol·ly·gos·ter (snŏl′ē-gŏs′tər) ->noun Slang ->One, especially a politician, who is guided by personal advantage rather than by consistent, respectable principles.
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Good catch!
A very fine noun to describe the two politicians who turned up on the BBC Question Time programme last night - two politicos to speak for remaining in the EU and 3 non-politicians who spoke for leaving.
The two politicos could scarcely put together a coherent argument in favour of their side of the case in reply to the questions from the audience.
One was besoted with the official position of her governing party (and it became increasingly difficult for her to show that she actually believes that line) while the other is too engrossed in the lack of any real discussion within her own party which is totally disappearing from any discourse other than their own machinations about their current leader.
Quite apart from the other panel members who had something to say on the matter, it was the audience who really took apart the two politicians.
Ultimately, one member of the public summed up both of them as "second rate" but the snollygoster noun would have worked just fine.
The BBC has come up with a good format for these discussions over the next 17 weeks; some politicos will be there, alternating "for and agin", with a balance of non-politicos with the opposing view.
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It really is a large can of worms you've opened up here Ted!
I'm sat on the fence still, I can see good and bad sides to both sides of the debate.
The media, taking sides and embellishing views to coerce the population? Surely not....
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