Have seen people worried about residuals.....r u serious......have u seen the trade values for a 2 Yr old Gsa with 20k miles on it........u could buy 2 Mt s for that . Buy one keep it for the warranty period and then sell it u will prob lose 4k...........the Gs loses that in a year and I own one .

Once again a heavy bike with a big tank high above the engine *sigh*

Well that's what most manufacturers do tbh.........economies of scale. Personally if I was going to do a very big trip I'd take a T7...... or a Honda 500 if I was in S America . It might not hit all the right notes for some of our community but it is totally reliable and that's got to b a major plus . Time will tell with the Mt.......I'll keep everyone updated as the new owners start to put miles on them and they come in for service .Going to guess there is a software upgrade at 1st service time......all the others get one .
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Good vid below about suspension.
Barely done 100 miles on mine, but broadly speaking I'd agree with his conclusions.
Forks good (3-way adjustment); shock less so (2-way adjustment).
For what it cost, I don't mind splashing out on a plusher shock.

MT definitely reminds me of my old CB-X - though mine was an early Rally Raid which brought it closer to an MT - or an NX500 for that matter.
IMO on dirtbike it counts but on a 200-kilo moto the whole 18/21 vs 17/19 is bogus

Everything else getting better by the mile.
Read my initial impressions.

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Nathan reports a fuel milage of 75 mpg on the MT versus 93 on the new Himalayan. Otherwise he seems quite happy with the MT:

https://youtu.be/d45nccVElEM?si=-pYjfdQZzu5MJv9c

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75 verified was my first fill up too; read-out said 74.6 which is close enough.
93 is amazing for a 40-hp 450. My 300L averaged 85 over 6000 miles.

Good review here from MAD; he likes the suspension but rides harder, like the bloke in Pt noted. Slower wants softer.




"And the CFMoto 450MT is our winner..."

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its the same old problem ...... is this an adventure bike ? or an off road bike ?
i would say say its more off road , but would you go around the world on it . or choose say a honda nx 500 ?

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Did a test-ride of the CFmoto 450MT last night. Some spirited asphalt riding and a mild dirt section with a few shaded spots with mud puddles (not deep, but slippery).

Was kind of surprised that the dealer had a demo bike available - talked to the salesman later and he said he had two of each color left in his allocation for this season, otherwise they'd been getting lots of test-rides and a lot of those converted into sales.

The good:
* It feels quite light on its feet, definitely a whole different experience from the NX500 I rode earlier this year. 175kg dry may not be a particularly low number, but the feel of it is very confidence-inspiring.
* The engine pulls nicely from below and I thought it was actually matched pretty well to the gearbox. I've heard people say 1st gear is too low, but for a mediocre offroader like me, the way it acts essentially as a crawl gear as I tippy-toe my way through a mud puddle worked very well. Nor did it feel underpowered with my fat ass on it - sure, it doesn't have the unlimited power reserve of my VFR, but for the money and engine size it's perfectly fine.
* Engine note is a lot nicer than the NX500, I would say. No buzz in the handlebars.
* I like that the windscreen is not just adjustable, but adjustable easily with one hand while on the move. A very simple and cheap mechanical system that is as good in real life as any Goldwing or BMW electric adjust.
* The LED strip on the front is a nice touch.
* Handlebar controls are not overloaded, despite it having a fair amount of stuff to do inside the dash.
* Gear indicator on the dash and a factory USB plug are table stakes for modern new bikes, but it's still something I appreciate compared to my ten-year-old one!
* Suspension is good, maybe a tiny bit harsh - but I'm not a featherweight, and by the time I'd add crash bars and luggage, there would be a lot of weight to control. Still very confident on pavement.
* The ergonomics are mostly great: arm position is good, easy to stand up on the pegs.
* Got it up to just over 140km/h indicated, and it felt like it could easily do long liaisons at 130 on the highway.
* The random Chinese tires felt perfectly adequate. Probably wouldn't feel the need to fit anything better until the original set is naturally worn down.

The odd (not enough to qualify as bad):
* Stock windscreen is too small for me even at the highest setting - but easy to replace, just four easily accessible bolts.
* Filler cap is positioned so that it won't easily accept a direct tankring fitment. I've seen that people use the offset ring bracket to mount a tankbag further back and at an angle - not sure what that would do to my seating position though.
* For some reason the mirrors, levers, brake fluid reservoir all have non-standard bolt patterns - generic accessories meant for clutch and brake reservoir mounts won't match up.
* The tank is slippery, no grip for the knees - but again, easy fix with some aftermarket grip stickers.

The ugly:
* Haven't seen anyone say this in other reviews but... at 180cm, my knees end up in exactly the wrong spot! The fairing wings on the sides of the tank are exactly where the sides of my knees are, and they're kind of sharp, making it almost impossible to grip the bike with my knees properly. Is that something ADV riders don't do? Is the bike just meant for shorter people? (I remember that on a 401 Svartpilen the similar fairing flares locked my knees in exactly perfectly!) It was noticeable enough on a 1,5-hour test ride; living with the bike every day, it would drive me mad. Basically, looking at the side of the bike, the point where the rearward bolt is on the outer layer is where it should start scooping inwards, instead it goes back beyond that for a good few centimeters.

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You're obviously well ahead of the game in the Baltic as there's not even a sniff of the 450's in my local KTM / CF Moto UK dealer. Or at least there wasn't when I was there two weeks ago. A nice review though and much appreciated as it's a bike I would be seriously looking at - if there were any to look at round here.

Only thing I would say is that I hope it is a bike for shorter riders. It would make a change from the 'I'm 6' 4" and the bike fits me perfectly' new models we've had over the last few decades. Unless they come with a factory fitted step ladder I'm not really interested these days. I got all enthusiastic about the Yamaha T7 a while back, until on seeing one realised I'd need binoculars to even see the seat, never mind climb on it.

I read somewhere there's talk of Gas Gas ('KTM') using the 450MT motor next year. You'd imagine it's bound to be lighter.

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Nathan still likes the bike. Positive sides are weight distribution - he says the bikes weighs 200 kilos but feels like 180, good and firm suspension. Gearing is a bit low but he thinks its good for offroadriding but a little negative for highway riding. He says the bike uses a bit more fuel than expected for a 450 cc and that it could use a tad more power…. But he overall likes the bike.

https://youtu.be/uwX8qYoQorI?si=r76YpTRNyJDsP1lb

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My impressions after 7000km:
https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2...5000km-review/

Like
• CST Ambro tyres do it all @ 30 psi
• Grunty engine so easy to manage and fun to hear
• Suspension soaks it all up (stock settings, full load)
• Seat is fine for up to 600-km road days
• Standing just about sustainable with 25mm risers on stock pegs
• Lights good at night
• Tubeless spoke rims holding up well: no leaks; spokes taut
• Suspension responded well to 5 mins of adjustment

Like less
• Wet weight a bit high when laden – fine unladen
• Fuel consumption. best 78mpg so far

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I’ve yet to ride either bike but, based only on YouTube reviews, I’m erring towards the Himmie against this bike for a long distance trip.
1 - Smoother fuelling for slow speed would suit my off road riding better.
2 - Better fuel economy.
3 - The, reported, spurt of acceleration at the top of the rev range; good for overtakes.

All my favourite bloggers have said that there’s really nothing to choose between them. Have you had a decent amount of time on the Himmie chris - appreciate your thoughts.

I have not tried the 450 Him but I'm sure I'd like the better mpg and less mass.
But I'd miss the lovely MT engine. Just pulls in any old gear where a big single would judder. Alrady have a buyer for my MT; may get a Him next year.

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