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New 450 cc twin cylinder Adv bike from CF Moto

According to Advrider the chinese brand of CF Moto is about to launch a new 450 cc twin cylinder Adv-bike. CF Moto already have a twin cylindered 450 cc engine used in a sportsbike that came earlier this year.

https://www.advrider.com/coming-soon...e-from-cfmoto/
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The Chinese are certainly making determined progress to break into the top range bike market, and I don't think it'll be long before their offerings are as good as anything from Europe or Japan (who are increasingly manufacturing in China anyway).

I don't intend to be an early adopter - I'll let others take that risk - but I'll certainly keep an eye on them. It would be foolish to write them off in the same way as our parents wrote off "Jap crap".
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We have just started to stock cfmoto as they are part of the ktm family . The 800 adventure version is a really good looking bike , huge spec back lit switch gear ( are u listening bmw ) cruise etc etc . Gets new software after 1st service which sorts out throttle response . For the money it's a steal ...... on pcp its a giveaway . Dash is a bit busy mind but for the price u could fit a sat nav and ride off on a trip . Given that they build the engines for ktm I think that they are def worth a look . H
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What’s the weight of those 800s Chris, and CoG?
I’m sure FC Moto bikes have decent build quality but I’m not sure that I’d put up KTM build quality as an advertisement
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OK kerb weight (wet) 231 kg fir the spoke model . The guys who have ridden it don't describe as top heavy at all .
I know what u mean about ktm.....generally it's sensors that cause the issues Or owners whi don't read the manual
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231kg? Wow.

Edit: so that's the same as the wet weight of the Rieju 500 ... when it's full of it's 39 liters of fuel ...
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OK kerb weight (wet) 231 kg fir the spoke model . The guys who have ridden it don't describe as top heavy at all .

I know what u mean about ktm.....generally it's sensors that cause the issues Or owners whi don't read the manual
I'm more interested to find if Cove 800X ADV listed curb weight 185kg with the 20L tank is the Real McCoy.
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Tbh sitting on it , it doesn't feel a heavy bike . But then I ride a Gsa so it's all relative. Generally the reviews from Australia and South Africa are pretty favourable . I think of it as a more powerful Benelli 502 X.......but not as good looking . Again I refer to my bike as a reference
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Thanks Chris.
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Not wishing to sound like an advert they lob in luggage too . Not bad quality.......about as roomy as most of cases tbh . OK for short to mid size trips but I'd prob go bigger if it was for a very long jaunt .
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And dry weight is said to be 175 kilograms. Then I reckon wet weight will be around 190 inclusive fuel, engine oil, coolant etc. I guess we had hoped for something a tad ligther…?
42 HP and 42 NM torque is as expected I guess?
270 degree crank on the paralell twin engine is a good thing though I guess…

https://youtu.be/iG8E7LQXPjw?si=x6-4f7zGAoKgAEh2
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Just seen the blurb af work re the new 450.....not sure when it will arrive but if its anything like the 800 they will throw the kitchen sink at it re electronics etc . Will see what the techs think when they build one for the showroom .
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My main concern would be the actual wet weight in ready to travel form and "pick-ability". And of cause the price and reliability.

From what the other ECMA reviewers say it will be in the same range as CB500x, maybe a couple pounds less.
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And dry weight is said to be 175 kilograms. Then I reckon wet weight will be around 190 inclusive fuel, engine oil, coolant etc. I guess we had hoped for something a tad ligther…?
42 HP and 42 NM torque is as expected I guess?
270 degree crank on the paralell twin engine is a good thing though I guess…

https://youtu.be/iG8E7LQXPjw?si=x6-4f7zGAoKgAEh2
That all sounds pretty good to me and similar to other bikes in this class. The big advantage will be the twin cyl engine - should provide better fuel economy and less vibration - the 411 Himmie was an excellent bike for a long trip but gave my wife bad trigger finger, something that has disappeared now she’s back on her 1200gs.

I can’t think of a better time for choice of motorcycles since I started riding in 1981
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That is true, especially now the 400s are coming (back).

Low seat; TL tyres; 500km range; same weight at a new 450 Him: looks like a contender to me.

My speculative PoV of the 450MT here.

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