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Good advice Ian.
Is the WR250R model the road legal one that is now selling in Japan?
Here we only have the F, never had any road legal WR's here.
What iv'e heard is that the road legal model is really quite different. Lots less power. Different cams, compression, valve timing, and also quite a bit heavier.
But perhaps a longer lasting motor since it's in a de-tuned state? Might be a wise move. I've ridden the WR250F (and 450) on a number of occasions and am thinking it will be my next dirt bike. Very reliable, best among the modern four strokes.
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The WR250R is now on the Yamaha UK website:
2008 WR250R
Motor does look considerably different to the WR250F, and it's got EFI.
This narrows (expands?) my choice of next trail bike to the WR250R or the Scorpa T-Ride
Le site de Scorpa
Pros/cons:
WR250R: possibly more suitable motor for travelling (economy, robustness), but looks quite tall and relatively heavy.
T-Ride: light, low, but is the WR250F derived motor up to travelling?
Learned opinions required.
Thanks.
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Where are the Italians!!
Yet another 'definitive' bike list without any Italians mentioned!! For all their problems, if you are looking at a big trailie you should at least have a go on a Cagiva Elefant! (esp. if you are on a Budget)
The '750 is more like a Super Tenere than an AT, but the engine spins up faster, mainly due to lighter cam components. They are an awful lot of bike for the money (expect to pay around a grand (£) for a decent bike with 15-20K on the clock.
The normal problems are easily fixed by a bit of decent prep, and they have good old fashioned carbs!!
They are indeed a bit on the heavy side, and to be honest if one single person had said get a serow before I left I would have done, but that is the exuberance and inexperience of youth for you. As it was getting a beast for the first bike meant I learnt much faster I reckon. Also on bad corrugations once you get up to speed the bumps smooth out real well and the bike felt very planted, which I put down to the weight.
One question about bigger bikes - did the Dakar ban big v-twins which used to dominate get banned as I was once told, or have people chosen not to ride anything over 650??
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Originally Posted by Ian
The WR250R is now on the Yamaha UK website:
2008 WR250R
Motor does look considerably different to the WR250F, and it's got EFI.
This narrows (expands?) my choice of next trail bike to the WR250R or the Scorpa T-Ride
Le site de Scorpa
Pros/cons:
WR250R: possibly more suitable motor for travelling (economy, robustness), but looks quite tall and relatively heavy.
T-Ride: light, low, but is the WR250F derived motor up to travelling?
Learned opinions required.
Thanks.
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Ian,
Not so much learned opinion, but your post raises the 250cc "question" again - and that's not a bad thing at all among all the advocacy for 600s and above.
Among the razz-a-ma-tazz of this week about the new Tenere, the WR250R has sort of slipped in quietly; I am surprised you think it is heavy at 126 Kg (that Tenere, for example, is much more!).
Seat height; yes, it is taller than a skyscraper - of course the suspension "settles" a lot, is long travel and provides 300m or so of ground clearance but most of us do not have massive inside leg measurements.
Fuel capacity: I guess you will be looking for an after-market tank because the standard is 7.6L (even the TT600R has 10L as standard).
Wet sump: oldBMW made some telling comments on this design, a while back.
You did get me looking at the Yam webpage again and here is a comparison:-
Motorcycle Comparison Details
I just wonder which bike is "best value"?
ps The bike on the LHS has a dry sump engine design, which was news to me.
Cheers,
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Is the WR250R not heavy for a 250cc? The 2008 Yamaha WR250F is 106kg. OK, the F is an enduro bike, but 20kg difference?
Mind you the new Tenere is also quite heavy when compared to others in the '600' class.
I would hope that an aftermarket bigger tank would be available, but you never know. In the worst case, one could always have one made.
Be interested to hear about the wet sump issue in more detail.
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Is the WR250R not heavy for a 250cc? The 2008 Yamaha WR250F is 106kg. OK, the F is an enduro bike, but 20kg difference?
Mind you the new Tenere is also quite heavy when compared to others in the '600' class.
I would hope that an aftermarket bigger tank would be available, but you never know. In the worst case, one could always have one made.
Be interested to hear about the wet sump issue in more detail.
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Ian,
I was reminded of your weight point made here when I read about a new BMW ( http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...5-2#post150892) --- the GX450, reputed to be under 130 Kg.
It will be very interesting to see what weights the other Beemers will achieve, compared, for example with the new Yam Tenere: as per the original thread, the definitive bike for 2008 could be a whole range of bikes coming out in the next few months!!
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Patrick,
I was talking about the WR250R (not F) which we are getting in the UK and Scorpa T-Ride. Scorpa has a motor at least derived from if not identical to that in the WR250F. Very light and probably very low. Links below:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
The WR250R is now on the Yamaha UK website:
2008 WR250R
Motor does look considerably different to the WR250F, and it's got EFI.
This narrows (expands?) my choice of next trail bike to the WR250R or the Scorpa T-Ride
Le site de Scorpa
Pros/cons:
WR250R: possibly more suitable motor for travelling (economy, robustness), but looks quite tall and relatively heavy.
T-Ride: light, low, but is the WR250F derived motor up to travelling?
Learned opinions required.
Thanks.
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