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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
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except 90% of the media bullshit about the EU banning aftermarket parts and modifications was just that................bullshit

Somewhere in the interwebs there's even an EU press statement telling them it was bullshit

Hardly.

How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.


EU Type Approval and Market Surveillance Regulation COM(2010)542.
All new bikes over 125cc get ABS under the regulation approved by MEPs. Smaller machines have combined brakes instead.
The anti-tampering measures will prevent modifications of bikes which fall under the 47bhp limit for new ‘A2’ licence holders from2013. Bikes will get on-board diagnostic systems capable of registering modifications as faults to be rectified by a mechanic.

Further...
The European Parliament 20th November 2012 – The proposal – Approval and market surveillance of two – or three-wheel vehicles and quadricycles – was debated and then approved by the European Parliament by huge majority (643 in favour, 16 against).


The Commission originally proposed to equip all L-category vehicles (so everything on two or three wheels with an engine) "with designated measures to prevent tampering of a vehicle’s powertrain" (laid down in Article 18). Before, similar rules had only been in place for speed and power restricted mopeds, scooters and light motorcycles up to an engine capacity of 125 cm³. The inclusion of all kinds of motorcycles into Article 18 was justified by the Commission by environmental and safety concerns.
Speculation is still rife as to what precisely these “designated measures to prevent tampering” will include as the Commission intends to develop them as part of a delegated act which has still not been drafted. Riders are therefore rightly worried of a scenario where manufacturers have to build motorcycles in a way that prevents the end user from any kind of modification. See Triumph's response in their letter to me.
Lobbying by the likes of M.A.G. were partially successful in limiting some of these proposals to 125cc bikes i.e. ABS but the “designated measures to prevent tampering” clause still pertains to all bikes – including yours.


It was subsequently revealed that Bosch A.G. had heavily “lobbied” the commission to introduce such specious legislation, Bosch A.G. being the principle maker and patent holder of ABS systems for motorcycles.
One chilling, potential clause the M.A.G. identified in the regulations was a system to be built into the ECU that will monitor and report their riding, their speed etc leading to enforcement agencies being able to access any data for prosecution.


Of course if manufacturers want to equip bikes with systems that do this then that is down to market forces and whether riders will buy such bikes. As I indicated, I avoided the Triumph and bought Harley.
However, you can avoid any of this bullshit simply by putting your X in the appropriate box and VOTE LEAVE.
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Hardly.

How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.
Simple research, the Regulation you quoted was only proposed, even MAG's own website regarding this hasn't been updated since 2012

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Hardly.

How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.
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Oh give me a break, now the marketing manager of Triumph is an expert
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Hardly.

How can you say that when the marketing manager of Triumph motorcycles himself says the contrary and gives the reason? I even reproduced his letter.
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Oh give me a break, now the marketing manager of Triumph is an expert
I would say so - yes.
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I would say so - yes.
Care to explain why a marketing manager for a pretty minor manufacturer is an expert on this and 100% correct whilst every other expert, economist, forecaster who doesn't comply with your view of the world is wrong?
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