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Old 22 Jun 2018
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You are right, there is not a plethora here, but they seem to be around. Here are two I found for example:

a 93' model with 18,000 kilometers on it
https://www.milanuncios.com/motos-de...-253443212.htm

And a 96' model with 15,000 on it
https://www.milanuncios.com/motos-de...-257692960.htm
Beware, you don't want the 93 model. You want the 96+ one (type SP46).
The newer model is lighter and has far more aftermarket support.

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Add all that lot to your DR and you'll have a bike very similar in weight, but which is more top heavy, produces less power and uses more fuel.
Well that's not really accurate. The CB500X being a twin, it spins faster and outputs indeed a wee more horsepower. But the DR650 being a 650, it's more torquey.
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But the DR650 being a 650, it's more torquey.
There is some good discourse herein.


If you want torque and old school technology then you need to look to the Suzuki DR750/800cc "BIG" single cylinder. Now, that's a single!!


Torque is far more to do with the stroke of the engine, a classic feature of 600+cc singles, than it is related to the overall engine capacity.


The point made earlier about FI is completely right: that discussion was made at length in here years ago - the argument is over.
That does not mean that one can't have a preference for carbs (two of my current 3 bikes are carb'ed) but it does mean that the FI technology is proven.



Finally, your pillion passenger needs priority consideration, as a minimum.
I have known bike passengers throw in the towel and walk away from a ride because of the self-centred person at the front of the bike.
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Torque is far more to do with the stroke of the engine, a classic feature of 600+cc singles, than it is related to the overall engine capacity.
Actually, in a first approximation, torque is proportional to engine capacity.
A good first guess is 10 Nm / 100 cc for regular 4-stroke engines not turbocharged.
A bit more than the above figure for power-optimized engines, a bit less for quieter engines.

Examples:
CRF1000L 98 Nm 9.8 Nm/100cc
Versys 650 64 Nm 9.8 Nm/100cc
WR450F 49 Nm 10.9 Nm/100cc
Multistrada 1260 129 Nm 10.2 Nm/100cc
Hayabusa 154 Nm 11.5 Nm/100cc
BMW R1200GS 125 Nm 10.7 Nm/100cc
Triumph Street 675 68 Nm 10.1 Nm/100cc

Now if you take older/quieter engines
CRF250L 22 Nm 8.8 Nm/100cc
CB500X 43 Nm 8.6 Nm/100cc
GSX750 66 Nm 8.8 Nm/100cc
DR650 54 Nm 8.3 Nm/100cc
HD 883 68 Nm 7.7 Nm/100cc
KLX150 11.3 Nm 7.8 Nm/100cc
RE Himalayan 32 Nm 7.8 Nm/100cc

Seems to hold, don't you think?
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Actually, in a first approximation, torque is proportional to engine capacity.


Seems to hold, don't you think?
Yes, but this thread is stuck with 650cc (or 450cc perhaps at the start) which in some of the detail postings becomes 600cc for the SWM engine - my point was that the thread was/is/maybe still is discussing a certain cubic capacity of engine; thereafter bore and stroke become relevant.
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Honda X ADV
Just a quick note, not to be argumentive. The community is strongly advising the DR650, as a current new/used ride, based on its proven reliability. I go back to some previous post which indicate newer vs older, parts and service availability and the ability to put on some serious KM with reasonable off road capability.
Momo034 has indicated he is a smaller person, putting saddle height and over all weight at the lower scale.
Today I have been looking at other manufacture offerings and came on this from Honda, very interestering. Honda 750 X ADV off road / touring scooter, rather nicely equipped. As there are pannier and top box offerings for the other Honda 750 Road scooter, there should be the same for the X ADV, worth looking into?
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