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The T7 should have been available NOW! I seriously would have had a look but I bought a new 2017 Husqvarna 701 enduro instead. I needed a bike NOW! I didn't want to have any regrets however so I simply reminded myself that the Husqvarna WILL BE LIGHTER and I'm thinking easier to work on in so far as engine access. Yamaha-KTM........ you lost another one.
they not really lost you, you bought technically a KTM

but I agree, they recently started to introduce new bikes very slowly and way too early before they can actually sell it. I guess they envy Africa Twin success with that strategy. But some are not too patient and lose interest.
Let see, 1 year or more prototyping and teasing, then 1 year to make it available plus another year or so to fix all the issues. Again new AT is perfect example. People don't have time today for this games.
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they not really lost you, you bought technically a KTM

but I agree, they recently started to introduce new bikes very slowly and way too early before they can actually sell it. I guess they envy Africa Twin success with that strategy. But some are not too patient and lose interest.
Let see, 1 year or more prototyping and teasing, then 1 year to make it available plus another year or so to fix all the issues. Again new AT is perfect example. People don't have time today for this games.
I read an article recently that discussed the Honda AT in relation to the other 1000cc+ ADV bikes on the market. The author's argument was that the AT was never meant to battle the big KTM 1090/1190 nor the 1200GS. Those are $20,000 bikes. It was built and marketed with the intention of grabbing sales from the few middlewights (Tiger 800, BMW 800/850, etc) that offered similar figures on paper, this being weight, power output and price point. They also had the name Africa Twin which they very cleverly leveraged. KTM guys will buy the big KTMs. BMW guys will buy the big BMWs. For the rest of the market, they had a product that was priced similarly to smaller displacement bikes like the Tiger and offered a historically significant bike that is considered by many a very strong world tourer. Plus they have their Honda name.

It would seem that the ideal middleweight ADV bike is a bit of a unicorn and as a result, rumors of a lightweight yet powerful 700/800cc bike from big names like KTM and Yamaha will excite the masses. It's an untouched segment right now save for BMW's middleweight line and Triumph's bike, which have become more and more bloated over the years.
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It would seem that the ideal middleweight ADV bike is a bit of a unicorn and as a result, rumors of a lightweight yet powerful 700/800cc bike from big names like KTM and Yamaha will excite the masses. It's an untouched segment right now save for BMW's middleweight line and Triumph's bike, which have become more and more bloated over the years.
yeah, and I am surprised BMW came up with F850GS and abandoned F650GS.
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yeah, and I am surprised BMW came up with F850GS and abandoned F650GS.

This forum is filled, mostly, with travelers who want reliable economical lightweight bikes. I think that most of these companies cater more to the short term, weekend, riders that want higher power figures and comfort. I would venture to say that 70hp is probably a baseline number that many would want from a middleweight bike and to make an engine that produces that much power and also be long term reliable from a manufacturers perspective, they need larger displacements and therefore more weight. Yes, you can get 70 hp out of a smaller engine, but it's going to be working harder and longevity is probably one of the primary concerns for a manufacturer.

Also, why did they drop the 650? I guess it wasn't selling enough. Manufacturers respond to market demands that are in their economic interest. They're in the business of making money. A small group of overlanders and some longer weekend warriors does not give them enough reason to make a bike catered to us.
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Wasn't the F650/F700 the same engine as the F800, just in a different state of tune, for marketing purposes? I guess the F700 was not sufficiently cheaper, and they just decided to market the higher number.
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There is a new F750GS alongside the 850 and replacing the old 650/700.
Same differences: cast TL wheels (19” front) lower tune as you say, lower saddle and much cheaper. I thought the 650 made a great travel bike. Same price diff with the new ones: 850 from £9,400, 750 = £7,950.
One reason the F650Gs became a ‘700’ in 2012 was to belatedly deconfuse it from the 650 single.
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Weight with 17lt fuel 165kg, well proven 600cc engine, seat height 920mm Off road orientated suspension, no unnecessary electrics, reasonably priced, just need to add luggage and ride, sound good specs. Think AJP pr7.
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