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I am planning to test drive the GSA tomorrow and hopefully the Tenere later in the week. Will see.
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Moulin,
It would be good to hear your impressions from your test rides; here in the UK it didn't used to be easy to test a Yam 1200 tenere because the dealers didn't have them on the shop floor - the idea seemed to be that a customer would buy it "blind" without a test ride:confused1:
It should be easier now that there are a few second hand ones in the dealers.
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I agree with the underlying theme of some of the earlier posts - someday a thread will stay away from  for more than a day or two, but I am not holding my breath when BMW are in the subject line of the thread 
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I'd go for a 650 DLV-strom too....Cheap, very reliable, comfortable, economical, well balanced etc..
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Hey Ted,
LOL, I'm not going to lend you my canoe this summer if you so vehemently insist on retaining the role of the resident anti-BMW crusader on this site. 
The OP already said he can't do anything smaller than a heavyweight (1200) so I doubt he'll look at the middleweights.
Oh, and by the way, I can't imagine that actual real data would in anyway sway your biases, but I had the pleasure of riding my DL (1000) again in West Africa this winter. Certainly based on my experiences with my DL and my F800, once a person rides enough miles on these bikes (and most other modern bikes), the maintenance required and reliability are all pretty similiar.
In fact, I've had a lot more issues with my DL but there are quirks on every bike, doesn't mean I wouldn't recommend that bike or the F800. We all have our preferences and biases, but in reality these are mostly just our opinions based on what we like, and a lot less about facts. There is plently of room in the world for people to like different things so we shouldn't be so dismissive of other peoples preferences. Some people even choose to live in the UK! 
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1200cc adventure bikes can be an ideal choice for some people. I think it's better to keep an R or K BMW for the asphalt miles and buy something like a 250cc for off-roading but I can understand the thinking behind buying a big BMW. They can handle bad road surfaces, handle better than a Harley, look cool in some circles and you can "customize" them. All the custom parts are in a catalog but nonetheless they will be custom.. lol.
Anyways, I would buy a Stelvio NTX if I were you. They are the coolest looking thing from that bunch. Or a Triumph Tiger Explorer.
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Hey Ted,
LOL, I'm not going to lend you my canoe this summer if you so vehemently insist on retaining the role of the resident anti-BMW crusader on this site.
The OP already said he can't do anything smaller than a heavyweight (1200) so I doubt he'll look at the middleweights.
Oh, and by the way, I can't imagine that actual real data would in anyway sway your biases, but I had the pleasure of riding my DL (1000) again in West Africa this winter. Certainly based on my experiences with my DL and my F800, once a person rides enough miles on these bikes (and most other modern bikes), the maintenance required and reliability are all pretty similiar.
In fact, I've had a lot more issues with my DL but there are quirks on every bike, doesn't mean I wouldn't recommend that bike or the F800. We all have our preferences and biases, but in reality these are mostly just our opinions based on what we like, and a lot less about facts. There is plently of room in the world for people to like different things so we shouldn't be so dismissive of other peoples preferences. Some people even choose to live in the UK! |
haha oops. I better start behaving myself.. 
I just have to say how I see it though.... People are welcome to ignore what I say. While they are sailing down that long river called "Da' Nile" 
Just seen this video pop up on my FB news feed. Thought it 'perhaps' relevant..
50,000miles f800gs engine destroyed - YouTube
F800GS Piston slapping ? - YouTube
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I have a Harley St. Glide now, love the bike, but I am going through midlife crisis and want to do some Adventure biking. Have being riding for 30 years...
At first I was going to buy a GS 1200 ADV next few weeks, but now I have heard so much how this bike is so heavy for offloading etc, and other issues that I am thinking about Yamaha Tenere or Triumph Adventure. Love the looks of GSA most.
Could you guys give me some input, specially the guys that have the GSA!
Would you buy another or would you consider Yamaha and Triumph.
Thanks in advance!!
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Moulin,
Based on your description of what you have been riding, the adventure rides that you plan on going on and that you don't want to go any smaller than a 1200, either the BMW, Yamaha, or Triumph bikes will be perfectly fine.
Once you have chosen to go with a heavy weight bike (instead of say the ~+/-750cc middle weights), any relative weight differences between the models is minor in comparison, especialy when fully loaded with gear and gas. They are all big bikes and will feel as such. They offer great riding advantages on the road and disadvantages off road. Coming from a HD you are used to a bigger bike and the transition will be easy for you and you'll quickly learn which off road conditions are fine on the bike (gravel) and where it gets to be a bear (sand).
Pick whichever one you like the best and happy riding.
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Super Tenere
I traded my KLR for a Super Tenere last July, got 13,000 miles on the Tenere now. I was 2 weeks from getting a GS when Yamaha made it available in the U.S. Price, dual swing-arm strength, low maintenance, dealer network and Japanese reliability made the S10 my clear choice. I hope to cover a few hundred thousand more miles of mountain roads, trails and daily commutes on it. Ride one, thats all it will take.
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I traded my KLR for a Super Tenere last July, got 13,000 miles on the Tenere now. I was 2 weeks from getting a GS when Yamaha made it available in the U.S. Price, dual swing-arm strength, low maintenance, dealer network and Japanese reliability made the S10 my clear choice. I hope to cover a few hundred thousand more miles of mountain roads, trails and daily commutes on it. Ride one, thats all it will take.
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Thanks for the useful, real world experience of the S10.
I don't make a habit of quoting motorcycle magazines and their reporting, but there was an interesting article in a UK bike mag back in Nov 11.
It concerned the Nick Sanders' super tenere that did 3 return trips of the Pan-American; this amounted to 51,000 miles in about 4 months.
But the interesting bit was the strip down of the engine and the photos and description of the mechanics. Servicing for the 51K miles is described as 2-3 oil changes and nothing else, not even the air filter was changed.
The most serious issues found with this bike were a couple of weeping seals, specifically for one of the fork legs and in the final drive which incurred some kind of damage (vaguely attributed to a strap).
All of the engine internals are described as showing wear consistent with a bike of about 10K miles maximum and many are "just run in" or "as new".
Apart from the seals, everything is original, even the spark plugs.
I hope your S10 gives just as good service in your travels!!
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May I suggest taking the 3-day BMW intro off-road motor course before buying the big GSA. I did and it didn't take long to realize that the bike is way to heavy to go to a lot of places the smaller ones could get to. I also am making the transition from Harley to adv.bike. Good luck & hope to see you on the road.
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Deal done, Goodbye Harley- Hello BMW GSA :)
Hey guys, thanks for the feedbacks. Just want to give some update and also real feedback, hopefully will help someone...
To start, let me make it official and say that I traded my beautiful HD black St. Glide for a 2012 Red GSA. Loving it, even though a little overwhelmed still...
So, I test drove the Yamaha Super Tenere. Really like that bike, perfect every where, light, powerful and I even took it off road during the test drive (as per sales guy suggestion , and It was fun riding it standing up. The down side was that there was no crash bar, and the windshield was a little smaller.
Test drove 2 GSA and 1 GS, in 2 different dealers. The GS was fun and nimble, like it, but did not love it. I was sold on the bad ass imposing look of the GSA (also compare to S.Tenere. Wish Tenere had a "offroad" version on the show room, it probably would sell more!)
Why did I buy the GSA instead of Tenere.... Tenere did make more sense $$ wise, about 4K cheaper than GSA (even suit up).
I guess the biggest reason for buying the GSA was 3 things. One looks, two proven reliability, and lots of positives feedbacks, and The most important reason was about the Name status and Riding club/group rides.
You may only understand this if they come from Harley Davidson.... HD biggest selling points are the Harley Groups and Group Rides that you are automatically invited if you own a Harley, and that IS A BLAST. I never done group riding until I bought my First Harley and I love that friendship and camaraderie that Other Harley rides have to each other...
While test riding my 2nd GSA, the sales guy invited me to come back later in the week that they were having the monthly BMW owner club meeting, so I did. I truly enjoyed meeting the group, they are actually a more mature group of guys (a few girls) just nice group of people, getting together, having a chili cookout, planning some upcoming rides. Not as group riding oriented as the Harley, but as close as you will find I guess.
Yamaha, Honda, not even the Triumph have much of that...( I've owned them all!) at the least not around my area anyways...
Ohhh another thing.... That is something cool to do when someone asks... What bike do you ride... and you say Harley! (people almost expect that! I have seen disappointing faces in the past when I used to say Honda) Now, I can proudly say BMW It Would not be the same if you say Yamaha,, even you if quickly say Super Tenere behind it, since nobody really will know what that is...
PS: To back up my point... when I told my wife that I was torn between the BMW and Yamaha, she said..."BMW sounds like a better bike, just get that one! " and she knows nothing about motorcycle
Well here is my honest review...
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That sounds like a well motivated decision.
I wish you lots of fun riding your BMW GSA.
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