oops engine price was £1550 sorry not 1350 - still damn cheap compared to a rebuild of most stuff jake

BMw are jesting at that price - surely.

"I....have ethical problems about buying japanese products" [sic]

Detracts from an otherwise interesting post.

Hi Doc I am not trying to make any kind of political point nor trying to put anyone's nose out - I am simply stating something i do not do and why i err towards European made machines and why I do not consider Japanese made bikes when looking at the range of machines available (Japan being the biggest producer of bikes with some very fine engineering may i add). It is not an option i can consider for personal reasons of an ethical nature and that view is by the way not limited to Japan but I am not going into the reasons or any other part of my thinking on this matter - like i say its not an ethnic thing - its ethical.
Tchus jake.

Ha ... sadly no.

I know a replacement engine for my 650 X-Challenge is about 5000 EUR from BMW.

I have no doubt that if I could actually source one from Loncin in China, they would bill me about 500 EUR.

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That's a canny mark up for some postage and taxes.

I have little doubt that you'd find you gotten what you paid for . . . a boat anchor that looked like your old engine. (Not justifying the BMW price.)

Harley makes some much better looking boat anchors, if you like chrome, though they are a bit more expensive.

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Loncin make bmw engines

Just like Ural . . . only a more modern copy.

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For a complete engine ???? Surely not.

An abs controller costs 1500 from BMW lol.

That does seem far too cheap for a new engine. Amazing if that's true.

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Rode some bikes.
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Thats the price they said if I bought the bike from them - I think thats cost price as they will be buying the bikes engines in Bulk - who knows but BMW do have a tendency to up the price of parts to really silly money. Jake.

I'd buy the CCM just to be able to buy engines at that price.

Then I'd sell them to BMW owners for £4000

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Can't say anymore.

It never occured to me that a USP for buying a certain make/model of bike is the (alleged lack of) cost of a replacement engine. I prefer bikes where you never need to replace an entire engine.

I'll stick to the complete bike that cost me the same price as one CCM engine. I wish I had the money to p!ss against the wall for a BMW engine. Or if I had this sort of money I would spend it on petrol and cerveza doing a trip.

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Chris your being a bit snobby this subject are you not - remember if no one buys a bike new - then you would never get your cheap second hand bike. Also they are not always loss makers just because you buy new, keep them long enough you get to ride them for many years then sell them for more than they originally cost. To name a few ( Ducati 900ss bought new 1976 £1800 sold in 1983 £3000 - if i had kept it it would be £15000 now, Laverda Monty bought for £1000 sold for £3000 (about £8000 now), laverda jota bought for £1800 sold for £6000 ( these can bring about £8000 now), 80 gs bought for £2000 sold after 110,000miles and a big restore for £7000 (actually just broke even on that one though - spent to much on the restore as i intended keeping it but sold when I thought I wouldnt ride again). KTM 950 bought new for £6500 had loads of fun for three years and sold it for £3 -£3500 but they are now around £4 to 5000 and rising).

As for the CCM engine debate - point I brought it up is simple - almost every bike I have owned has ended when the engine parts not being available / or getting too expensive etc, I know you buy rats and would throw away and start again but I would prefer to keep the thing going and have owned some of my bikes well over 20 years before they became difficult and simply very very expensive or no longer economic to repair - the chassis suspension etc all last for ever and are easy repaired, so If I am going to spend eight grand on a bike that will see me to the end of my bike riding days - i wanted to know if rather than rebuilding the thing ( ie like my last 80gs ) if it would be more economic to simply slot a new unit in. CCM agreed and have put forward the proposal and costing of replacement engine. So in years to come my one wont be on the market for you to buy for next to nowt to ride down to Africa or where ever and drink your at my expense. . jake.

Hi Jake
Having a different opinion to you doesn't make me snobby. I admire your trust in untested technology and your willingness to pay over the odds for what is essentially a dirtbike with a few more bits of plastic strapped to it.

You know my views on the BMW brand and how it failed me so badly. So there's absolutely no chance what so ever of me buying this CCM, new or used off you, considering it's connection to BMW.

Or Loncin


A Loncin powered DRZ Gsxxxer..., photo by me, near Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, Summer 2012

I saw a Laverda Jota and a Ducati 900ss (Mike the Bike Hailwood replica) the other day at Eddie's Motorcycles here in Shipley, West Yorks. Great looking bits of kit. I'm envious to never have owned either. I did ride a mate's Jota once though.

I'll buy you a if you're coming to Roadkill Cookout Danny's Hagg's Bank event on 21/22 September.

PS. In a previous version of your above post (you've edited it at least twice) you suggested I ride rats until they die and then bin them. That was originally the plan :-), but they never die :-(, so I can't ever bring myself to bin them. Hence, I own 6 bikes whose combined cost to me was less than the 8 grand for this CCM, including a Triumph roadbike that cost me 3.8 grand.

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