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"These two bikes"? Sandro, amici, que che? What "duel" do you speak of?
Which two bikes? Both companies make 10 or more different models.
What are you talking Sandro? 
Do you actually work for Motocyclismo? ... or somehow blagged a "one time" job from them? I hope you won't continue to make real moto journos ashamed!  BTW, BMW make a nice elec. scooter!
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Dear Mollydog
You should calm down!
If you didn't understand what I have said It's due to my level of english which of course is not the same as yours. Anyway I don't feel ashamed because after all I do feel that my level of english is enough to talk with other people from all over the world, surely more friendly than you! I thought that with pictures would have been easy to understand which bikes I was talking about...
I'm sorry...
BTW if you want to know, I'm not an employee of Motociclismo don't worry but they do support my projct!
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I can't afford either bike. 
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Sandro,
It's just that your post was a bit "incongruous", does not make a lot of sense. But I salute you ... your English is 100% better than my Italian! 
Google Translate is good to communicate more complex ideas. I use it to help my weak Spanish. It works!
I know Morini quite well ... followed them in 1970's-1980's. Remember the 3.5? We had a small group of Morini riders here in San Francisco in those years. Morini, like many other great Italian marks, has made several attempts to resurrect itself. These re-birth's rarely work out. Look at the history! Laverda, MV Augusta, Ducati, Aprilia, Benelli. All have had financial UPS and DOWNS ... and some or no longer around at all. (Laverda)
You started off your 1st post asking about BMW vs. KTM? What was your point there?
The two brands really compete in ONE segment of motorcycling: Adventure Touring.
Anything to add about that? 
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Sandro,
It's just that your post was a bit "incongruous", does not make a lot of sense. But I salute you ... your English is 100% better than my Italian!
Google Translate is good to communicate more complex ideas. I use it to help my weak Spanish. It works!
I know Morini quite well ... followed them in 1970's-1980's. Remember the 3.5? We had a small group of Morini riders here in San Francisco in those years. Morini, like many other great Italian marks, has made several attempts to resurrect itself. These re-birth's rarely work out. Look at the history! Laverda, MV Augusta, Ducati, Aprilia, Benelli. All have had financial UPS and DOWNS ... and some or no longer around at all. (Laverda)
You started off your 1st post asking about BMW vs. KTM? What was your point there?
The two brands really compete in ONE segment of motorcycling: Adventure Touring.
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My point was that many riders and magazines spend a lot of time and pages talking about BMW and KTM fighiting for the lead of the adventouring and travelling niche of the market!
Of course they deserve it but there are in the market many other interesting bike and I've realized that nobody at the moment talk so much about The GranPasso and the Caponord...and maybe they are good as well!
I'm keen to hear someone who has ridden the Moto Morini one!
Ps...hope my English now is getting better
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Originally Posted by SandroRoma
My point was that many riders and magazines spend a lot of time and pages talking about BMW and KTM fighiting for the lead of the adventouring and travelling niche of the market!
Of course they deserve it but there are in the market many other interesting bike and I've realized that nobody at the moment talk so much about The GranPasso and the Caponord...and maybe they are good as well!
I'm keen to hear someone who has ridden the Moto Morini one!
Ps...hope my English now is getting better
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Your English is just fine! 
Correct. BMW & KTM get way to much coverage. But ADV bikes are HOT now and magazines always follow the money. Sales of both BMW and KTM are soaring ... even in a BAD economy. Bikes like Vstrom, Capo Nord, Multistrada, Guzzi Stelvio ... and a few more ... they simply cannot keep up.
ALL good bikes ... but IMAGE, Cache' and PRESTIGE are also very important in this segment.
I've ridden both the Guzzi Stelvio and 1st generation Capo Nord. Both good bikes ... but neither can match the KTM or BMW on pure performance. If you look at "character" or "style" or panache ... then this is more subjective. I like them all and have ridden and tested a few.
Me testing Capo Nord in 2002.
Triumph Tiger in 2001.
Testing BMW F800GS in 2010
V-Strom 1000 vs BMW 1150 GS ... testing them back to back in Baja.
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If the purpose of the question is to find a winner and a loser, that is subjective and depends on many factors - I will not digress to that. Rather, will give you my summary impressions, having owned both.
BMW 1200 GSA - solid, heavy, steady and reliable - my ride for over 20,000 km of Soviet Union adventures.
KTM 1190 Adventure R - fast, nimble, a few tweaks needed - so far a fun ride of over 3,500 km in the Caucasus.
It is not about the ride, although IMO, a bike is the key ingredient to a great adventure - it is about the adventures which pop up along the ride - and both bikes are more than capable mounts to take you to the unexplored.
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It is not about the ride, although IMO, a bike is the key ingredient to a great adventure - it is about the adventures which pop up along the ride - and both bikes are more than capable mounts to take you to the unexplored.
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Well said Cliff ... and why I was mystified by Sandro's original post that seemed to want to compare/divide fans of both. I see now it's mostly a communication issue.
Hope you continue to have good and safe riding on your KTM!
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