Funny. It's almost like discussing religion or politics.

I camp mainly in places where trenching is forbidden or at minimum morally reprehensible. That's what we did back in the dark ages, but no longer. Of course, in campgrounds or other previously-despoiled areas anything goes.

I backpack, and I would never carry a 14 lb. tent on my back. Nor would anyone else I've ever met in the backcountry. Even large, 4 season mountaineering tents don't weigh that much.

Which is my next point: if what you desire is headroom, floor space and weather-tightness, and you don't mind carrying a bulky, 14 lbs. monstrosity with you, there are lots of options out there. For example, I've got a 6-person Sierra Designs at less than that weight--I lived in it all one summer many years ago, with shelving, a stuffed chair, a full-sized bed, books, and a stereo system. There are freestanding models, and some which are designed as mountain basecamps or mess tents--resoundingly tough, with pricetags to match.

What the Redverz appears to have that other floored tents don't is a place to potentially park your bike. Count me as one of those who does not want to share a tent with my smelly, filthy, blowdown-prone motorbike. However, if that's a priority by all means have at it.

I'm not at all put off by the need for guy lines and stakes. All tents require guys and stakes in questionable weather or they blow down, blow away, or flap loudly all night and get your gear wet when the rain comes sideways. On rock or other impenetrable ground, piles of stones, logs, trees, or locally-available motorbikes serve instead of stakes.

Mark