Funny. It's almost like discussing religion or politics.

I camp mainly in places where trenching is forbidden or at minimum morally reprehensible. That's what we did back in the dark ages, but no longer. Of course, in campgrounds or other previously-despoiled areas anything goes.

I backpack, and I would never carry a 14 lb. tent on my back. Nor would anyone else I've ever met in the backcountry. Even large, 4 season mountaineering tents don't weigh that much.

Which is my next point: if what you desire is headroom, floor space and weather-tightness, and you don't mind carrying a bulky, 14 lbs. monstrosity with you, there are lots of options out there. For example, I've got a 6-person Sierra Designs at less than that weight--I lived in it all one summer many years ago, with shelving, a stuffed chair, a full-sized bed, books, and a stereo system. There are freestanding models, and some which are designed as mountain basecamps or mess tents--resoundingly tough, with pricetags to match.

What the Redverz appears to have that other floored tents don't is a place to potentially park your bike. Count me as one of those who does not want to share a tent with my smelly, filthy, blowdown-prone motorbike. However, if that's a priority by all means have at it.

I'm not at all put off by the need for guy lines and stakes. All tents require guys and stakes in questionable weather or they blow down, blow away, or flap loudly all night and get your gear wet when the rain comes sideways. On rock or other impenetrable ground, piles of stones, logs, trees, or locally-available motorbikes serve instead of stakes.

Mark

I to have gone for the same tent, very much the same thinking as Brian. I intend to travel slowly so not planning on putting it up every night, more stay in one place for a few days or more and explore the area.
Have put it up a few times and managed in 10 minutes. I use the bag as a stuff sack which makes it quick to pack up then in a roll bag with the poles and pegs just thrown in with the rest of the camping gear.
Finally get going in a couple of weeks so will see how it performs in anger....

yes i found a lot of people making different points on this tent,as the old saying goes different strokes for different folks but i think you can agree with the usability of this tent,i think its worth the sacrifice for that 10-15mins of pitching.
i must admit its the uv protection that im worried about,i will be on the road for a year or more so it will be interesting how durable the outer skin will react,please let us know how it copes for the first few weeks and best of luck.

Brian, just phone Redverz directly at 720-213-8287 and ask the developer directly. He would be the one to know because he is out in it all the time.

So Mark, what do you do to keep the pools of water out from under your tent? I think everyone here needs to know your secrete, since trenching is the only way to achieve the goal that I know of.

I start out by using tents with fully waterproof floors. Simple, really. Can be expensive, but I'm in favor of using expensive tents if they work well and last for a long time. Mine do. Water under the tent doesn't mean I get wet.

I also pitch on high spots so that water drains away. Easy with a small tent, harder with large tents.

I try to pitch on well-drained soil, e.g., pure sand or gravel. Seldom available, but nice when you can get it.

I don't use a footprint (groundsheet), since I've never yet had a tent floor wear out. Footprints tend to collect water unless very carefully placed, and I'd much rather let any water drain away than collect a major lake on a waterproof groundsheet right under my tent. Occasional punctures are easily enough repaired with the kit I carry anyway for my thermarests.

None of the above represents any sort of secret knowledge or requires a high degree of skill. However, YMMV.

Mark
(tenting for 5.5 decades)

Every thing you mentioned is known. Every tent I have ever purchased has a water proof floor. I always use a footprint to keep punctures from damaging the waterproof flooring. High ground is nice when available. Porous soils are everywhere here in California, so not a problem.

I'm still going to trench...

I'm not arguing with you or anyone else, and I'm not pretending that what I know is special in any way. In fact, I was merely answering your question.

I am, of course, pointing out that trenching is generally considered in very bad form away from established campsites. In wilderness and parks it's also often illegal. You probably know this.

And, I'm stating that I personally haven't found any use for trenching since the days of porous canvas and WWII army surplus. Which is why I then added "YMMV," as it apparently does.

Mark