Regarding your point number 2, your post number 20 in here contradicts you completely: the event you identify in post 20 went as follows, as I recall -- BMW did a recall and provided replacement bikes to those effected by the recall in the UK for the time that the bikes were off the road; the new water cooled RT were replaced with loan bikes, usually water cooled GSs, and the local dealers had to step up to the plate and deal with this, often providing their own demo bikes.
They also collected the machines from the owners for the recall work because "they could not be ridden". As an anecdote, it is said that one UK registered bike was recovered from mainland Europe and the owner, on vacation at the time, was provided with a replacement bike to continue the holiday.
In the USA, because those guys are much more prone to go to law very quickly, they did something along the same lines and made compensation payments to the owners - I forget the details but it was in the order of a few 1000 US$ per customer.
All this was done for a safety-related recall; contrary to your point 2 above.
I don't know of another manufacturer that would provide anything like this level of service; maybe you do?

"Which Bike"
"What we need to be aware of when buying a new bike today"
Just how unrelated can a thread become to both the forum and its own title; it needs to go into the BMW thread so that all potential purchasers can be aware (of something or other).

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nonsense on all counts - this is not about bmw, all brands are welcome.
Cannot helped beamer is screwed up the most. Cost cutting saving are visible all around, in case of my honda luckily so far only bending ignition keys (saving on metal I guess). Who knows what next, never happened in 30 years to me that my keys are so soft that melt in hand...

how about F800GS cracked tanks?

Anyone noticed fuel tank plastic cracking? - BMW F800 Riders Forum & Registry

F800GS Cracked Gas Tanks





another cost cutting, no QA savings...

Temperature wrong or contamination in the moulding process IMHO. Another example of the effects of short production runs? If you make it thicker you add weight and cost which marketing and accounts dislike.

Quality cannot be inspected in. Quality is what the supplier wants to do. I have been a supplier to BMW. We partied when we lost the job, there are other customers who help and inspire rather than expecting you to sort problems they cause.

Andy

QA, now there's a topic that rarely gets a mention in the HUBB.
It would be good to hear your views of how things have moved along over the past 40 years or so; please see my latest post in here:-
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ropean-80333-3

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Ah! Now we have the agenda that started this thread.
No harm in that, but clearly it's a BMW thread of the disgruntled variety.

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You think Dave? really?

Mezo.

Yes, I do, but that's just because of the road that this thread has taken: it's up to those who contribute and, so far, it consists in the main of photos that have been doing the rounds on the internet since year dot about BMWs.

No matter, someone has moved the thread into "which bike", so over to those who want to expand the thread into something other than BMW related.


Yes, but a lot of "things" added to bikes nowadays are there because of legislation somewhere in the world: e.g. BMW have to toe the line along with all the others who want to sell new bikes in the EU = ABS is all but compulsory (I can't remember exactly when it does become so, but the manufs know what is coming to them and they get ahead of the legislation).


Flying brick or plain "brick" that engine is enormously reliable as both a 750cc and in the 1000cc and bigger versions.

Yep, the inline 4 did a good job at the 2014 TT races, bringing in the German marque in first place since a hell of a long time (since 1939 ironically).

I've just got around to looking at the links that were the start of the post about fuel tanks; I didn't bother to read much in there - the posts in the links are 5-6 years old and they just dribble away into no resolution of the discussions; one of them is killed stone dead by starting a poll.

Maybe these tanks, or a batch of these tanks, were prone to being effected by ethanol; many plastic tanks have had an issue with that fuel, irrespective of the tank manufacturer.

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The thread has not been moved as far as im aware? its always been in "Which Bike"

Ive already stated i like the old school BMW`s so its not a case of bashing BMW.

The pictures are not from the year dot, just the last decade when BMW`s quality control was neglected in favour of the almighty dollar.

Out of interest Dave, what bike do you own?

Mezo.

Yes, basic motors were OK, apart from that irritating cloud of oil smoke emitted upon start up. Also, the early K100 were some of the first uses of ABS from BMW. Lots of problems. But... the very WORST part of those bikes was the poor handling. They were SO heavy there really was not much to be done. I rode them both on track and plenty on the road.

I preferred the K75 as a road bike. Later generations were much better but none compare with the inline four based on the GSXR and the subsequent spin off models off the SS sports bike.

yes, we get the IOM races here on TV. Great stuff. Good for BMW but very sad they pulled out of World Superbike a couple years back. They should have hung in and supported the series and kept at it. Oh well.

A key reason the Japanese became so dominant for SO Long was racing. Sure, they got laughed at early on at the IOM, Catalina Island Scrambles and Euro dominated Moto Cross.(early 60's)

But they just smiled, bowed and went back and made their bikes better, more reliable, spent more on R&D, hired better riders ... and won.

They've never stopped racing, winning and learning. Racing is the way forward not only for reliability but for R&D of new technology ... whether we need it or not ... that's another argument !

BMW 800 tanks did in fact split. Quite common and something BMW addressed. LOTS of other serious issues with the 800 twins. Huge forever threads over on ADV Rider on several cases.

A 3D printer will solve that for you, in the very near future.

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