So its seems Moto Morini has entered the 450 cc adv-bike class.

Twin cylinder, dry weight of 190 kilograms, 21/18 wheels, 18,5 liter petrol tank etc etc. It certainly got the look! It will be available in September.

https://motomorini.eu/model/alltrhike/

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Weight wise, it's 15kg heavier than the CF Moto 450MT.

175kg vs 190kg dry weight.

Well known fact that the chinese arent exactly 100 % to be trusted, is it? These guys have actually weighed the CFMoto 450 and found that it is 207,5 kilos wet weight….
https://youtu.be/c1qoyvnrupQ?si=56OPbDxBkc4H5qWK

But then again Moto Morini are also probably made in China and by such they dont neccesarily have an accurate perception of this and that… and such as dry or wet weight of a motorbike.

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Genuine question: With the exception of Kove, why are all these "new" Chinese and Indian built 400/450cc bikes so effin' heavy? Japanese and Austrian bikes in the same market niche built 20 or 30 years ago (and some still being sold new in North America today) weighed 50kg (a third) less...

Why do people buy this cast iron substandard tat?

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Thats a very good question actually! Now - the Honda CB500X/NX500 is also around 200 kilos wet weight, and the Kawasaki Klr650 EFI is 220 or thereabouts? The Tenere 660 ABS that I rode around the world was 215 kilos wet (https://www.autoevolution.com/moto/y...-abs-2012.html) so I am not so sure that todays japanese bikes are very much lighter than chinese and indian made bikes.
The KTMs are lighter though, but then again they are high strung and quite expensive machines (with some nasty top end issues….)

Todays bikes are definetively heavier than bikes 30-40 years ago. I guess watercooled engines weighs more than aircooled ones, ABS units weighs a couple of kilos, two brake disc in front and one rear weighs more than one small in front and an old school rear brake etc etc. It still dont explain all the weight gain….?

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All older single cylinder KTMs like in the exc range weigh less than than 150kg, some by a lot. When not raced and treated right they do many 10s of thousands of Kms. Check out the relevant Advrider reports from e.g. Aaron Steinman and RTWpaul on their exc500s

Japanese:
*Suzuki Dr 350 and DRZ (water cooled)
*Honda xr 250, 400, 650l. The xr650r is water cooled
*Yamaha wr 250 and 450 (water cooled). And xt.
*Even the gen1 klr650 only weighed 153kg, allegedly, according to a quick Google search.

These also all had disc brakes.

Who, when "adventure" riding, needs an abs unit?

My 37 year old vtwin made in Japan (not Italy) 600cc Transalp only weighs in at 175kg

Sh!t quality materials (from the industrial revolution of the 1800s) = cheaper cost = lower price and built in 2nd/3rd world sweatshops, but still means higher profit margins for the manufacturers, especially if the no nothing newbies or born again bikers take their contraptions to 100 euro/USD/gb£ a labour hour workshops.

For information: OEM Honda crf250 made in Thailand parts cost a quarter of the price in Thailand than in Europe from a Honda dealer, even including shipping and taxes if imported into Europe yourself.

I'll stick to older Japanese bikes. The build quality was phenomenal. The average age of my fleet is about 28 years. 4 Hondas and a Suzuki. 4 water cooled and one air cooled. All with carburettors.

I recently test rode a Kove 450 rally replica bike. 32 litres of petrol capacity and 145kg. What's not to like?...

...The dismal throttle response: I went from a very potential customer to a you must be effin kiddin in 20 minutes. Maybe the efi can be programmed?!

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