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Some people can do both.
I'm not sure what the reason of selecting this engine is. Maybe they got a great deal, maybe they wanted to add the BM branding power, maybe they like to aim at performance more than ADV readiness.
I'm not across the options out there, but I'd trade in performance over other things like better gearing and other things mentioned happily I think.
I recently came across this option the other day.
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It's not an ADV spec bike yet. They're developing one with 600km range, but even then it won't get the vast majority op people excited. This is not for Ruta 40, more for some dotted trail through Asia, or river bids and donkey trails in Africa. I'm at a point now that I'm starting to look for something a bit different to a now typical intercontinental adventure ride. I think more people are too hence this growing interest into smaller bikes.
But the more I started looking into the equipment they selected the more excited and I became. Using a boring old but common as shit engine in something weighing a total of 57kg can produce something exciting (apparently).
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It's not an ADV spec bike yet. They're developing one with 600km range, but even then it won't get the vast majority op people excited. This is not for Ruta 40, more for some dotted trail through Asia, or river bids and donkey trails in Africa.
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I'd be much more interested if they planned to introduce a somewhat street-legal model. Would you know anything about that?
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I've put my name down for 2, but not sure which 2.
He told me they are currently working on US street legality. Not sure on which model they do that with, but I'm sure it's a tickbox exercise that can transfer across models.
It would make sense to do this with an ADV model rather than a trail model.
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Interesting. An added 40 lbs. for lighting, stator, wiring and random acoutrements would still leave it plenty lightweight. I was out riding my mountainbike tonight, and trying to imagine having one of those machines on the kinds of trails I ride. I could see it being great fun....but probably not enough fun to trailer it around. If I could ride it on the street to access the endless networks of logging roads in our local foothills, that might be worth the price of admission.
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My thinking as well.
Shouldn't need a trailer at that weight though. A hitch mounted rack would work just fine. You just lift it on there. No ramp necessary.
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I'm not sure what the reason of selecting this engine is. Maybe they got a great deal, maybe they wanted to add the BM branding power, maybe they like to aim at performance more than ADV readiness.
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I think the G450X engine is the only light enduro/rally engine with high power and compliant with the tough Euro3 emissions legislation (which you need to get it licensed in Europe).
It has 40 HP in Euro3 mode and 50 HP in racing mode (different exhaust and power plug / switch - both used to come with the bike).
If I'm not mistaken KTM and Husaberg has 10-15 HP in Euro3 mode.
The G450X engine is also known to be pretty robust, if you compare it to other race-bikes. Personally I think it's a nice engine for racing, I'm not sure how it will work in the long term.
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I think the G450X engine is the only light enduro/rally engine with high power and compliant with the tough Euro3 emissions legislation (which you need to get it licensed in Europe).
It has 40 HP in Euro3 mode and 50 HP in racing mode (different exhaust and power plug / switch - both used to come with the bike).
If I'm not mistaken KTM and Husaberg has 10-15 HP in Euro3 mode.
The G450X engine is also known to be pretty robust, if you compare it to other race-bikes. Personally I think it's a nice engine for racing, I'm not sure how it will work in the long term.
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Well the attempt at commentary in the vid does say that the CCM version of the engine is de-tuned, and it mentions the 40HP figure which is enough for a 450cc in a non-racing mode.
It's growing on me, but real world test rides, i.e. beta testers to put in some distance/time on the bike, are now needed.
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Well the attempt at commentary in the vid does say that the CCM version of the engine is de-tuned, and it mentions the 40HP figure which is enough for a 450cc in a non-racing mode.
It's growing on me, but real world test rides, i.e. beta testers to put in some distance/time on the bike, are now needed.
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Looks fragile..........
However, if they want to give me one (along with £20,000), I'll happily do a RTW 12 month test for them..
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I reckon it looks great. Pity they couldn't find any decent off road to film it on.
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I reckon it looks great. Pity they couldn't find any decent off road to film it on.
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On the other hand, the Lake District is just up the road from CCMs' place so they didn't spend a load of cash on shipping bikes, for journo trips, to Spain/Maroc and similar exotic locations.
Maybe there is only one GP450 available for testing at present??
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The G450X engine is also known to be pretty robust, if you compare it to other race-bikes. Personally I think it's a nice engine for racing, I'm not sure how it will work in the long term.
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In standard form I think the WR450F engine is more durable. At least the piston has 3 rings.
The max permissable oil consumption on a G450X is 100ml per hour of riding, which is a lot. The engine holds 1.15 litres. To put that in perspective, A KTM 2-stroke uses a fuel  il mix of 50:1. So if the 2 stroke uses 5 L of fuel per hour, it will also use 100ml of oil. 100ml/hr is at the upper end for the BMW and means the engine is due for a rebuild, but it is still a lot.
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In standard form I think the WR450F engine is more durable. At least the piston has 3 rings..
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The WR is pretty good, but isn't the euro3-version limited to 9kW?
On the other hand I can't see that the G450X engine is detuned, it used to be 40 hp in euro3-mode and 50 hp in racing-mode. The only difference is that now you have to pay for the parts to get 50 HP.
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The max permissable oil consumption on a G450X is 100ml per hour of riding, which is a lot. The engine holds 1.15 litres. To put that in perspective, A KTM 2-stroke uses a fuel il mix of 50:1. So if the 2 stroke uses 5 L of fuel per hour, it will also use 100ml of oil. 100ml/hr is at the upper end for the BMW and means the engine is due for a rebuild, but it is still a lot. |
Hehe, my 400EXC burns 150 ml/hr and it's pretty hard to pass me in that fog  Time for a rebuild...
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some nice pics and a review from a test ride of the prototype http://www.adventurebikerider.com/co...18-nathan.html
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