Surprised this hasnt been mentioned before.

Well its been a long time between drinks for single cylinder adventure bikes off the shelf ... since KTM retired the 640 Adventure in 2007 its just been the very heavy Tenere.

CCM is beginning production of a BMW powered 450cc adventure bike that weighs between 120 and 130 kgs dry !

17 litre fuel tank
40 hp from a detuned 450cc BMW FI engine
5000 mile (8000 km) service intervals
90 mph (150 km/h) top speed
250 mile (400 km) range
high quality dutch made suspension
regular height, or enduro height
options for larger tanks


See:
CCM’s new adventure bike - | Motorbike reviews | Latest Bike Videos | MCN
CCM Motorcycles launches new CCM GP 450 Adventure Bike

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Ticks the boxes for me.
£7995.00. Wondering how this compares to other Motorcycles at the same price point in the Uk?

Looks good to me. And yes, since it was announced in February, very surprising no one has mentioned it till now...

MCN put me off "....intended as an entry level adventure bike before riders move up to the likes of BMW’s R1200GS". Or maybe they are just clueless idiots!

Looks good to me.

Andy

I'll be waiting for the 650cc version (I'm a big bloke).

But one thing which put me seriously off is: "Suspension: electronically adjustable to account for a pillion or extra loads" .... too much electronics.

Also the fuel cap is just where one would put the stuffbag/drybag.

Price wise it would be comparable to a 690R...

Casper

Yeah thats a comment written by someone who obviously hasnt done any significant adventure riding

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There were also discussions at CCM 450 Adventure and CCM 450 Adventure

In my opinion it's overpriced and I wouldn't touch CCM as a brand with somebody else's bargepole, let alone my own.

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TBS.com

Even earlier ... it was at the UK's biggest bike show in January

CCM 450 Adventure – Rally Raid BLOG

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Adventure950, I'm not wishing for CCM to fail. I just don't understand the reasoning behind using the BMW/Kymco motor.

In BMW form, it didn't ser the world alight and I've heard some murmurs of dissatisfaction from a few friends who bought the original bike.
The motor in BMW trim needed revs to perform, whereas on a long distance bike most prefer something with more low and midrange power.

Be that as it may, BMW has discontinued that model, and I think by the time the dust settles on the KTM/Husky takeover, CCM will be the only customer.

I tried going down the lightweight adventure bike a few years ago with a Husky TE610. Wet weight was under 150kg, power was in the 45 hp range, and I did some much needed mods for tank, headlight and saddle, among several other things.

The main reason I don't have that bike in SE Asia right now is primarily because of parts and service availability.
I don't want to spend time and $$$ having to source parts from around the world for a limited build motor, especially as Husky runs down inventory over the next few years.

And, u suspect Husky produced a bunch more 610 motors than CCM will be producing of these.

I love my TE, good suspension, light weight, wide ratio 6 speed box, good power right through the rev range. But just too many drawbacks once you are beyond the dealer network.

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No, the main reason you WON'T have that bike in Thailand is . . . it's no longer possible to bring it in under any circumstances as of about June 2012. Cambodia . . . still no problem but you can't ride around on a foreign tagged vehicle in Thailand very long.

Too bad . . . Cambodia's paperwork and visa issues are much simpler than Thailand . . . but on balance, I'm sticking with the LOS.

Not sure what "lived extensively" is but the last 11 years have been in Thailand (2 years), India (6 years) and Thailand (3) years. Thailand is "too easy" compared to India and in many, many ways easier than any western country.

+1000 generally but my TE630 is ALWAYS way more fun than my DRZ, and it's alot faster, too, on street or dirt.

It's the unplanned stuff that'll really get you here, however. I'm looking at a buddy's cracked lower triples on an XR400. This is going to be a huge PIA AND expensive and time consuming.

Seriously agree. It's almost irrationally overstated. My father-in-law rides 100,000km a year. He's done it for 14+ years. It used to all be done on . . . Harleys ! Now he's entirely on BMWs which he finds the most reliable bike he's ever ridden. (He's a machinist.)

The engine's are all pretty good or better. The transmissions might make clunky noises and have too few gears but . . . they work, fine. The soft parts do wear out, whether the quality is good or crap. It's the connective tissue that fails or degrades in a noticeable manner, sometimes across just a single trip.

Really ? I find almost any euro bike easier to work on, if made in the last 15+ years (my '68 Ducati Sebring 350 required a neurosurgeon to manage the points !) . . . the japanese put an astonishing amount of attention and effort into delivering quality AT delivery. But they suck to work on or maintain. XR/DRZ cams . . . and valve shimming. MUCH easier on my KTM 950, aside from the tank removal and carb removal necessitated by a V-twin, than on those and . . . I could teach my wife to do it easily, quickly and confidently. The buddy with the cracked triples . . . Ducati/BMW certified tech - works at a Honda dealership now and says . . . "I've gone to hell . . . working on japanese machines."

The japanese are the master's of "special tool" such-and-such.

True that. Experience begets, generally, greater expectations and awareness. Rookies think just getting away on a slight grade at a red light is pretty amazing.

Hey, the 3x3 mod returns power AND improved economy.

My entirely original DRZ with 46/15 gearing returned just over 45 MPG @ 60MPH. The modded one will throttle wheelie in 2nd gear with a 100kg rider and returns >55MPG. (The MRD pipe certainly didn't hurt, either.)

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The BM I had, had a knack for needing every size tool in the catalogue. So far the majority on the WRR are 8's and 10's. Haven't greased bearings and things yet. Or pulled the shims (under bucket like the BM), so dunno much about special tools yet. The BM certainly had some. Even on simple stuff like for the steering lock nut. But keeping it about the stuff you might do on a trip I reckon the Yammi wins hands down.

Is it not possible for a befriended local bike or even car dealer or importer to take delivery for unusual parts like clamps? If the label is an issue it could relabeled by a friend prior to posting.

Wouldn't be a big surprise ! I'm not the fan of BM's my father-in-law is but we have very different goals. I do like their riding experience - "character" - and find it almost devoid in the DRZ.

There's no small industry here that's been largely endangered doing just that. Largely operated by farang (folk of european descent) expats . . . they're slowly being squeezed out. There's an impressive collection of "non-book" bikes impounded in Chiang Mai - Ducati 916s, Harleys, etc.

The folks who want the big bikes don't vote (here). Parts importation is tricky because that's how alot of the non-book bikes got here - partially dis-assembled as "parts" to avoid duty.

The final reason the (specific) XR's triple will be a headache . . . Honda changes part numbers and parts seemingly to frustrate the backyard mechanic. Steerers, triple offset, accessory (gauge mounts, eg), bearing sizes, etc are ostensibly on a whim. Even a Honda dealer seems to have considerable sense of it all. (There are so many threads on JUST XR SM triples . . . )

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LOS / Cambodia don't make up even half the countries in SE Asia. While bringing in my Husky to the Philippines wouldn't have been a piece of cake, I have some contacts here that would have registered it quite cheaply.

I've only been coming here for 7 years, and resident for 2.

But I did live in South Africa for over 40 years, and operated a business in Zimbabwe, for 3 years, working into Namibia, Zambia and Tanzania as well.
I also traveled extensively in the region, apart from working.

Most of those countries apart from South Africa make Thailand seem positively first world.



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Quite true . . . but they make up the bulk of countries where simple residence makes it either possible to bring a bike in (albeit expensive, generally) or access something decent on the local market. Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, Timor or PNG. Nope. The rest aside from the 'Pines - only with a work permit and it must leave with you. I've no direct experience in the Philippines since working there in the middle 90's but . . . forums are full of nightmares.

Registration is the easy part, though not as easy as in Thailand.

Yeah . . . only folks from sub-saharan Africa that I knew weren't terribly troubled by anything in India.

My biggest complaint with Thailand is that it's too easy here.

So . . . I don't get the issues with bringing in the Husky. Tools and spares that are weighty ? You've got to be kidding me. I carry a bead breaker, extra wheel bearings & disc pads, and enough tools to work on carbs, rebuild forks, remove shock, etc on my KTM 950 and my whole kit is barely 20kg (tent, clothes, etc).

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Very off topic and long....

I'm probably a bit gunshy on the Husky after the cam chain went at just over 6K km. Plus the clutch issues a lot seem to have concern me.
Either of those can happen with under 4000 miles on the clock, even some seem to go over 20k with no issues.
Whatever, the thought of adding the additional tools and spares over what you carry negates a lot of the advantages of riding a bike as light as the Husky (as light as the CRF250L).
Then there is the garage issue: I spend time between 3 cities / towns, and don't have a good workshop in any of them. Spreading finicky European engine internals over the concrete in dust and wind doesn't give me the old warm and fuzzies...

Besides that most of my riding here is Mindanao and Visayas, with a bit in northern Luzon. Very few roads that I ride need more than 200cc to stay well ahead of 99% of the traffic, and the majority I've done just fine on a dualsport Yamaha 125.

I've compared travel times point to point on the YBR, and while the occasional SUV or car comes past, usually I get past them in the next town or road (de)construction, never to see them again.
The 200 makes that even easier.

Another issue on the Husky is that it's not at all good two up, and a lot of my trips here involve a passenger (or 2). The smaller bikes are also far more fuel efficient, are just as comfortable, and have stronger subframes.

And then there's the other guy: I've had several near misses traveling faster than the general traffic. I'd be tempted to go a LOT faster on a bigger bike: BTDT. As it is, the gf and staff don't want to ride much with me anymore because I drive too fast (on the 125...).

By the time I got the Husky shipped and registered, I could have bought 1 or 2 bikes like my 200 or 125.

Also kind of strange, but after many years of bigger bikes, I find I'm enjoying the smaller ones.
The 125 is nowhere near as capable as the 610 off tarmac, yet I have taken it into worse terrain, as it's easy to pick up and move around if I need to, or to paddle through through mud and water. Although being so low and light, I hardly ever have to put a foot down.

The other surprise for me was that the 200 has the easiest standing position of all the bikes I've rented and owned, so while the Husky has way better suspension and power, I am more confident in rough going on the 200.
Admittedly my offroad skills are at best average...

Then there are the small things like tires. Roads here are real slippery at times, I've unintentionally spun up the rear on the 200 several times, and locked the front or slid it out a bit on several bikes. About the best tires I can find are limited to Chen Shin or IRC, other brands I've tried are godawful.
Getting a tire capable of handling even the 45 or so hp on the Husky means shipping from Manila or even overseas.

So, mostly it's just easier and more practical to to go with what's easily available. I can find a Yamaha or Motorstar (Zongshen distributor) dealer or 3 in just about any town or large village, who have an idea what parts can fit if they can't supply, or can bodge a fix, or can point me to a shop that can get it done.

So, long story but that's my reasoning. :-)

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