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If BMW would make the old R100GS again, they couldn't keep them in stock
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If BMW would make the old R100GS again, they couldn't keep them in stock
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They wouldn't be aloud to. They don't pass any laws anywhere.
Unless they sold them as show bikes etc.
They never will though. There is a reason why Ferrari don't remake their past glories. They devalue the brand.
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They wouldn't be aloud to. They don't pass any laws anywhere.
Unless they sold them as show bikes etc.
They never will though. There is a reason why Ferrari don't remake their past glories. They devalue the brand.
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Well, OK, they could go with PLAIN EFI to get around EPA regs, but reliable and simple go together............high tech is for the race track
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If BMW would make the old R100GS again, they couldn't keep them in stock
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In a way, BMW are going there. They're taking a cue from Harley and tapping into the sort of old school Cafe Racer Nostalgia thing. Harley re-invented itself using pure Rebel outlaw/pirate nostalgia. Unbelievable but true.
No, this new BMW is not a R100GS ... harkens back to those times.
Anyone remember the R100S? I'm speaking about the new for 2014 R Nine T BMW. (see below) Regards the GS ...
can a "re-made", modern, R80GS be far behind? It would not surprise me in the least. Bar bones, light weight full HPN Dakar version anyone?
Check out BMW's R 9T Roadster (link below) ... and the video at the bottom of the page featuring some custom bike builders testing and commenting on the NEW R Nine T Roadster. Impressive. Once again, BMW use a million dollar movie to make their point ... and it is a point very well made IMO.
Very slick ... the Japanese could take a big lesson in this area. Their advertising truly is 20 years behind BMW.
(problem is ... many of same age old BMW faults still remain) 
BMW Unveils 2014 R nineT Roadster - Motorcycle USA
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The nineT is nothing more than an old 1200 twin cam air cooled engine stuck in a simple frame with some forks off a BMW S1000R.
They are GREAT bikes but they are not a re-release of anything classic.
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The nineT is nothing more than an old 1200 twin cam air cooled engine stuck in a simple frame with some forks off a BMW S1000R.
They are GREAT bikes but they are not a re-release of anything classic.
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True, technically ... not new. But it's the power of "illusion" that is at work here. That same illusion that sold a million R1200GS's over the last decade.
Here, BMW are jumping on the Cafe Racer trend going on here and (I guess?) in UK and EU? We hear it's already successful, bringing in newer, younger riders to BMW ... which is exactly what they need. It has enough of what is perceived to be that "classic" Cafe look.
I think it was a smart model choice.
A revised, repackaged modern R80GS remake could do the same ... another illusion ... but could rekindle interest among riders who were around when the first GS's were popular ... and most likely many other riders from various demographic. Do you think it would sell? Or not?
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True, technically ... not new. But it's the power of "illusion" that is at work here. That same illusion that sold a million R1200GS's over the last decade.
Here, BMW are jumping on the Cafe Racer trend going on here and (I guess?) in UK and EU? We hear it's already successful, bringing in newer, younger riders to BMW ... which is exactly what they need. It has enough of what is perceived to be that "classic" Cafe look.
I think it was a smart model choice.
A revised, repackaged modern R80GS remake could do the same ... another illusion ... but could rekindle interest among riders who were around when the first GS's were popular ... and most likely many other riders from various demographic. Do you think it would sell? Or not?
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I built some of the first nineT's in Europe. I had a good play on the ones I built too. Now you can't get them until 2015.
They were fun. That engine really is nice in a light frame with good suspension. Did it blow my world. Not even close. Exciting..... Nope ! A bit different...... Yes.. Worth the price tag. hmmmm.. Not to me. You could have a much higher speced Ducati or MV Augusa for the same price or less.
In fact, I'd take two bikes for the same price as a nice T...
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I built some of the first nineT's in Europe. I had a good play on the ones I built too. Now you can't get them until 2015.
They were fun. That engine really is nice in a light frame with good suspension. Did it blow my world. Not even close. Exciting..... Nope ! A bit different...... Yes.. Worth the price tag. hmmmm.. Not to me. You could have a much higher speced Ducati or MV Augusa for the same price or less.
In fact, I'd take two bikes for the same price as a nice T...
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Same here. The NineT is a nice bike, I quite enjoyed it when I tested it, but it's too damn expensive.
Would I buy one for myself ? Definitely not, would buy a Triumph Bonnie or a Thruxton, or a Guzzi Griso or even a R1200R, but not this thing.
But it seems that it's selling pretty well, so, well done BMW...
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Same here. The NineT is a nice bike, I quite enjoyed it when I tested it, but it's too damn expensive.
Would I buy one for myself ? Definitely not, would buy a Triumph Bonnie or a Thruxton, or a Guzzi Griso or even a R1200R, but not this thing.
But it seems that it's selling pretty well, so, well done BMW...
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I wouldn't buy the R Nine T either, but it's apparently doing (or helping to do)
exactly what BMW had planned: Bring younger riders into the BMW fold.
If you listen to the CEO speeches to dealers you'll find this theme of an "aging clientele" mentioned. They know their customer base are dying off and aging quickly. The GS's success has helped with this a lot, but BMW know they have to go further. Hence a bike like the R Nine T. Getting guys like Roland Sands and several famous Euro custom bike builders on board does not hurt.
Ah ! Guzzi Griso! Love it! Here's the one I rode for a couple weeks back in '07. A great bike once you figure out how to ride it. (not easy!)
It's amazing the cheap deals you can now find on this first generation Guzzi Grisso. New, here in USA, they were about $12K usd in 2007. Now, I've seen them for $6K to $7K usd in perfect condition. Lot of bike for that price. You never see another one!
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