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Can I put tubed tyres on tubeless rim

Hi, looking for a new bike and wondering if I can out tubed tyres on a tubeless rim ?

Just thinking some places it's hard enough getting tyres in the first place let alone specific tubeless types in the correct size.

Is it better to get tubed rims even though fixing a puncture is harder ?
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Short answer - yes.

Longer version, is it worth your while? Most tyres these days are tubeless anyway, and as you say easier to repair with a simple string kit. You can pressure down tubed tyres for extra traction, which you might not want to do on TL ones in case you roll them off the rim, but caveat - running at low pressures you risk ripping the valves out if you don't have rimlocks. Also adventure riding tends to be hard/soft surfaces fairly unpredictably so do you want to be going up/down in pressure all the time? TL tyres are designed to work at their spec pressure, easier all round. If you're worried about punctures take a TL repair kit, spare tubes and a patch kit
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Hi, looking for a new bike and wondering if I can out tubed tyres on a tubeless rim ?

Just thinking some places it's hard enough getting tyres in the first place let alone specific tubeless types in the correct size.

Is it better to get tubed rims even though fixing a puncture is harder ?
Yes, but if it's not a tubeless tyre, you need to run a tube inside it.

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Hi, looking for a new bike and wondering if I can out tubed tyres on a tubeless rim ?
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Just thinking some places it's hard enough getting tyres in the first place let alone specific tubeless types in the correct size.
The world is changing, depending on bike size / tire size etc, it could be easier - or harder - but any tire that is approximately the right size will WORK, at least to get you to where you can get better. As noted above, tube tires MUST have a tube regardless of the rim.
Also not some bikes have the tubeless valve in funny places, and it may be very difficult to put a tube valve in.

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Is it better to get tubed rims even though fixing a puncture is harder ?
NO! Given an option, I'd go tubeless every time, no hesitation. Punctures with tubeless are usually less catastrophic, just leaking down slowly instead of for instance splitting the tube and losing all air instantly, and the tire then rolling off the edge of the rim, sending you all over the place - DAMHIK!
Note that airing down is an over used trope, if you're loaded on a big trip, you don't need to air down unless you're seriously stuck in mud or sand, and it's your absolute last option - and then it probably won't help much. You should never go below about 22-25 psi on an adventure bike, and with that pressure no need to worry about tires coming off the rim - especially because you're going slow because it's nasty conditions, right?
Choose the bike first, and don't worry about the tires. Although I would give points to a bike with tubeless rims over tube-type!
And I would investigate putting a tube in it once I got it home, and carry a spare tube just in case the tire is really badly damaged or I just can't get the bead to seat.
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Is it better to get tubed rims even though fixing a puncture is harder ?
No.

First of all you will now struggle to get a TT marked tyre in anything except an ancient block tread cross-ply. All those bikes with silly 19th century spokes are running TL marked tyres (with tubes) on rims with the safety bead.

How is putting a plug from the outside harder than removing the wheel, breaking the bead to get the tight TL marked tyre off, dragging the tube out and reassembling without trapping the tube?

Plugs last the life of the tyre, you can ignore the lawyers blurb on the packet.

If you do get that ripped out sidewall you have the same issue regardless. You need to get inside and fit a tube until you can buy a new tyre. If you fitted the tyre at home using lube and have good levers it can be done. People only struggle with tyres Honda, Moto Guzzi etc, fitted without lube, using a screw driver and teaspoon combo, having never done it before (and it'll be typically be ****ing down too :-) )

Unless your trip is a series of MX events and you are using competition rubber I'd just stay tubeless.

If you do end up fitting ancient block treads and a tube from some place that's had them in stock since Ted Simon was a lad they'll just drop on (and off, literally). They'll sell you a tube.

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Excellent, thanks for the replies, much appreciated. Makes life much easier.
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... Plugs last the life of the tyre, you can ignore the lawyers blurb on the packet. ...
The mushrooms put on from the inside last the lifespan of the tyre, those put in from outside aren't as reliable (especially if you've caught something that's torn a non-round hole).

I've had a bout a 50/50 success rate, generally the bad ones develop a slow leak and start working their way out over the course of a few hundred kilometers.

My current off-road bike uses tubes on both ends, so this discussion is a bit moot for me, lol
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The mushrooms put on from the inside last the lifespan of the tyre, those put in from outside aren't as reliable (especially if you've caught something that's torn a non-round hole).

I've had a bout a 50/50 success rate, generally the bad ones develop a slow leak and start working their way out over the course of a few hundred kilometers.

My current off-road bike uses tubes on both ends, so this discussion is a bit moot for me, lol

Agreed, the various external repairs MAY last the life of the tire, they MAY NOT, and a lot of it depends on the exact damage, and how well you did the repair, and which TYPE of plug you used. In other words, it's a complicated, and a statement saying "it's all good" is not accurate.
To be clear, ALL the tire manufacturers say that the ONLY truly correct fix is to replace the tire. Of course you may choose to make a repair, and I might too, again depending on the damage and speeds I might ride at. 70 mph is the generally accepted maximum speed for a repair.

The RECOMMENDED repair is a "plug patch" applied from the INSIDE of the tire, and only the main tread area, NOT the sidewall or shoulder.
Be sure you know how to use them.
"Gummy worms" "strings" "Dynaplugs"and my fave the nice "8" plugs from Rema TipTop that used to come with BMW's, while excellent are considered "temporary repairs". They're great to get you back on the road quickly and easily, until you get to somewhere you can take your time, pull the tire and do a proper repair from the inside - or not - YOUR choice!

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