ok, I thought for a moment that OP is serious

On the other hand when I was in Morocco struggling on our big bikes with steep, rocky climb, we met local guy on the top on small scooter indeed...

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BTW after such "fun" scooter would be destroyed, so end of the trip

My needs as an over landing (“adventure”) rider are significantly different from the local guy riding a scooter. I want to cover a lot of ground, often quickly, and I want to carry an unreasonable amount of luggage while I’m doing it. I’m also not interested in spending much of my limited holiday time having maintenance done, parts bolted back on, and occasional major rebuilds—all of which are common events if putting on major mileage with those wee little toy machines.

I know that’s not always true, and I acknowledge the reports from scooter, moped and Chinese 125cc riders who claim thousands of miles of carefree performance (and $5 per day rental pricing). But basically in choosing bigger machines, I’m selecting roadworthiness, cargo capacity, decreased maintenance, and comfort for the riding I’m most likely to be doing. In other circumstances I’ve had a blast on little disposable 125s and scooters, but not when I want to cover significant mileage.

Plus I’m finally old, relatively fragile, and suffering from a surplus of money in relation to time—not the way my life used to work. Mileage varies, as we all know.

Mark
(Currently touring Vietnam in a hurry, on my huge, manly, 250cc Honda)

exactly

Fair enough that - but Im not so sure you will need to spend more time at the mechanics repairing parts using a scooter than a big bike. Theres probably not ever made a more undestructible bike than the Honda Wave/Dream/C90/C110/Postiebike or whatever its called around the world. As a rentalshop owner once told me - «they are f***** indestructible! You can throw 10 handgrenades on it and it will still work»! He should know as he have rebted them out for 10 years.
Im riding a big adventure bike 650 cc around the world and Im have been constantly overtaken and bypassed by locals on small scooters and bikes all over the world - so whats fastest Im not sure?
Carry a lot of luggage? Yes a big bike can handle that better but I thought it was all about the art of packing light when you go for long travels? Although its an art I will never learn....

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There's only one problem with scooters - they look so damned ugly!

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They are not made to ride to Starbucks

If you ride a scooter right, you dont see them anyway



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there are way more then one problem with scooters.

I'm just making a joke. If someone is out there putting miles on a scooter, good for them - two wheels are always better than four wheels.

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Hello

Why should the art of packing light be an admirable goal?
In trekking all you need is 10 lbs. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultralight_backpacking)
By that, every biker is an overweight luxurious camper.

So, why not travel in style?
Why sitting on aluminum boxes if you can take a comfortable chair and table?
How else can one enjoy a sunset with a cup of tea (or warm ) in the middle on nowhere?


sushi

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Whatever you say mate!
Packing a bike is an ART ... and doing it well is not easy. Most don't.
But of course much will depend on what sort of riding is intended.

Rough tracks and trails with possibly hundreds of km of deep sand, mud can (and should) influence how much you take along ... and what "luxuries" you can afford. The type of bike used is also key. Obviously, scooters and big bikes present different challenges. Bicycle riders face even greater challenges.

Neat, light packing always is better. "A system" as it were. We all have our own
"genius" ways of dealing with this. It's taken me decades to learn this ... and it all changes with every new bike.

Camp Chairs and Tables? Perhaps you employ "porters" on your rides through the Swiss Alps?





This Suzuki DR650 rider pulled this little trailer across USA. Coast to coast. Lots of ways to do it.
We have thousands of Gold Wing owners who tow BIG trailers behind their bikes. Great on smooth paved roads, but not compatible in rough off road conditions. Everyone has their own set of compromises regards packing up their bike ... and it starts with WHICH bike we are talking about. Scooters and Gold Wing riders must have different priorities.
I fall more on the pack light side. YMMV.

Whatever you say mate...

It's quite simple.
Take what you like and deal with it, it's your trip.

Camping chair and table OR a complete set of wheels (28kg).

Never ruin your trip by watching too much on weight, no matter what "experts" of "the art of packing a bike" say.


greeting from the swiss alps
sushi and his porters(2x XT660Z)

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Some beautiful pics of some nicely packed up bikes.

Sure, if you never go serious off road, "don't worry too much about weight"!
But if you do go off road, weight is CRITICAL IMHO, especially if riding solo. If you ride with enough friends (or Porters!) then moving a 640 lb.
1200 Tenere' is possible. Solo?

I follow riders traveling Latin America, lived there myself and have seen most of it going back 40 years.

It's funny how many Euro Motoqueros (starting in Chile or in Mexico) bring a TON of gear on their bikes and wearing riding gear suited for Cold Northern Europe.

Camping/Cooking Gear takes up lot of space, adds lot of weight too.
Walter Colebatch claims this is a Teutonic trait. They can't help themselves!

In SO MANY cases travelers barely use their camping gear (in Latin America) and end up in Pensiones/Hotels/Backpackers 95% of the time. Now why is that?

On recent Mexico/Cent. America trips I left ALL camping/cooking gear at home. This requires more careful planning of course but it's not too hard. If getting into super remote areas sometimes emergency camping gear is a good idea.
But most times there are towns and people everywhere.

Some riders love to camp. I get that. As an older rider I no longer am happy sleeping on the ground, but as always, YMMV and enjoy it while you can.


3 week camping ride on DR650. Only other luggage is my Camel Back drink system backpack. This pic shot around 2012.

Trekking and a motorbike travel around the world isnt exactly the same. You dont need to carry spares and tools when you trek or hike. And no pump, tyre levers, chainspray, engine oil, W40, funnel, jerrycans etc when your trekking/hiking.

Weight weight weigt - the most important thing to think about when youre on a bike and going on roads a bit from the main routes.

But I do carry a chair, the second most useful item on my trip so far...

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Hello

In the "10lbs" religion is only camping (tent, sleepingmat, sleepingbag, cooking stuff, hygiene) defined.
Food is extra, of course, for biking the spares/tools will be extra.

Just as a reminder to the believers of the "weight, weight, weight" religion, there is still al lot of potential for improvement.

Most importent is the weight of the bike, so, take a scooter.
Then no parts are needed, if it breaks, give it back an rent another one for $5 a day.

I'm glad I'm an atheist when ist comes to the church of "weight, weight, weight".

Just have fun riding bikes
sushi


P.S.
Remember the thread title:
Best bike for offroading...its a Scooter!!!


P.S. again
Somehow can't put smilies in my text, so put them in your mind where ever one is needed.

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That just wrong. People should not talk about something they donw know. We went all over India on rented $5 per day scooters...we did not manage to destroy them. Even the Indians dont manage with 5 people on them.

Also 28.000 km around South America with 125cc was not a problem but lots of fun. Waaaay better then to ship bikes around the globe looking and treated as money on legs: http://schoene-motorradreisen.de/?report=goa