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I have to agree with Cleland's LAST post here (though Cleland hadn't done well earlier, but neither did others) - the thread IS titled "Why travel with a Land Rover" and is clearly about someone's love affair with Land Rovers - so getting into it with comments about how Toyota's are better is guaranteed to start yet another silly bun fight... "Handbags at ten paces" comes to mind.

And it's all very tiresome, so Toy owners stay on your threads, and Landies stay on yours please! Or you'll end up in the corner...

You'll notice this thread is now in the "Watering Hole" otherwise known as the Overlanders pub, the 4+ wheelers hangout for general conversation etc! .
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This thread is about Land Rovers...
Moggy, Land Rovers, please keep on subject or start another thread about Toys....

You continuously come on the HUBB on any subject being aggressive and picking fights...
Land Rovers, ok;
"Why travel in a Toyota" has yet to be posted.

BTW when was the last time you owned a new landie?
And when was the last time you owned a new Toy.

a LC is TWICE the price of a Landie

Are you aggressively expressing your opinions based on a 25 year old vehicle?, I have reread your old posts and they are all the same, you don't like landies but you own the T shirt and the cap. We get it ,ok....

I'm not picking a fight with anyone Cleland, that's just you looking for trouble yet again so wind it in. Given that you previously sent me a PM telling me, as a cage driver, to get off this motorcycle forum I'm struggling to understand why your here except to cause trouble.

Actually, I do like landies, thats why I have owned so many of them, I just wouldn't use one for travelling

What's your experience of Landrovers?
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Cleland read back through the posts, until your first post in this thread there was no problem and you now seem intent on making trolling posts against Moggy.

Maybe a mod could delete the deliberately antagonistic posts for everyones sake?
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A reality check (about LRs)

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Perhaps you could take "the debate" to the pub area of the forum.
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I have to agree with Cleland's LAST post here (though Cleland hadn't done well earlier, but neither did others) - the thread IS titled "Why travel with a Land Rover" and is clearly about someone's love affair with Land Rovers - so getting into it with comments about how Toyota's are better is guaranteed to start yet another silly bun fight... "Handbags at ten paces" comes to mind.

And it's all very tiresome, so Toy owners stay on your threads, and Landies stay on yours please! Or you'll end up in the corner...

You'll notice this thread is now in the "Watering Hole" otherwise known as the Overlanders pub, the 4+ wheelers hangout for general conversation etc! .
Nice move to the watering hole, so now there are 8 topics within the 4 wheels area of the HUBB.

Yes, the love affair is expressed in a good piece of writing in the OP, but my my how the thread did develop, especially over the last day.
Oh well, the lads and lassies will just have to deal with it.

Rather less poetical is the Glencoyne view of LRs, although he/they have an equal amount of passion about that infernal oval badge.

http://www.glencoyne.co.uk/liveguide.htm

The Land Rover Buyer's Guide - by Glencoyne 4x4 (Thetford)
But, those two articles about owning and living with LR beasts do contain a level of gentle humour and are further examples of good writing.
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Haha....The new look site feels like the first day at school..everyone jostling for position and seeing where they fit in..:help smilie:

Kind of normal i think Chris....give it time...give it time...
Yes, this is what is going on here.

Rather strangely, there are now over 600 views of this thread with plenty of replies but just over 100 views, and no replies, to the build thread for the very same vehicle.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...and-land-80275

Still, I do like that poetry about Kermit that is in the OP and I have yet to see anyone else write so well about the alternatives.
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TO throw yet another spanner into the works..... I like Mercedes G wagens and have recently bought a 1989 460....


But still have a Td5 110...
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nowt wrong with a G wagon, if Sheppard drives one they must be alright! Would have one myself if the initial cost wasn't so high. The BIG bonus is, unlike Toyota who have been known to just scrap containers full of new parts for old vehicles, Mercedes still have parts for every vehicle they have ever produced. Their loyalty to their old vehicles is amazing.

I don't remember how many landies I have owned, 6 or 7 I think, but have driven many many more, everything from a series 2 to a TD5 disco. Driving a soft top 90 with the roof down is still one of my favourite driving experiences (although as that was the infamous TD motor, living with it wasn't!!)

heres one of mine, my 130 HiCap double cab with American demountable.




I still lust after one of these though, but they are going for serious money now.


Had the chance of buying a preproduction one for about 6k 10 years ago but didn't have anywhere to keep it, DOH!!


This preproduction velar RangeRover was on sale for 86k!!!!!!!

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I didn't think a Landcruiser is twice the price of a Land Rover.

So I checked, a new 110 Station Wagon in billy basic spec is apparently 27,620 GBP (I guess 6,000 GBP of that is tax?) where has here I can get a brand new 79 series Landcruiser with the 4.2 diesel for just under 20,000 GBP.

In fact, 27,620 GBP is only a couple of grand away from what I could buy a brand new 200 series 4.0 V6 for.

So no, a Landie isn't twice the price of a Toyota, at least for me it isn't anyway.
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Modern Art

Continuing the artistic theme of my reply to the OP, the stack of 4 galavanised LR chassis pictured in the build thread, and linked below, is a pure work of art - far better than the rubbish churned out by many of our modern artists.
It, the stack, should be exhibited in a well-visited gallery, such as the Royal Academy summer exhibition or placed on a plinth in Trafalgar square, so that a wider audience can be reached.

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your not comparing apples with apples.

The Toyota equivalent of a defender is the 70 series unfortunately not available in the uk. The closest LR to the cruiser you listed is the Discovery

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Cleland read back through the posts, until your first post in this thread there was no problem and you now seem intent on making trolling posts against Moggy.

Maybe a mod could delete the deliberately antagonistic posts for everyones sake?
Apologies for replying. I'm only here in my (unpaid) role as a mod to have a look around and check if yet another 4x4 bunfight is brewing. A real shame. In the bike section, despite 95% of the HUBB traffic being bike specific (a statistic I just made up... ), there's much less argey-bargey than that made by the (current) 5%. The users there tend to be well behaved and the only real mod work is to disappear spammers.

There's a feature in the forum software (I believe you go into User Options > Add to Ignore list) for people to be able to hide stuff from specific other users).

If people in the 4x4 section behaved themselves, rather than having sh!te handbags rattling sessions (that make the individual(s) just look ridiculous) every 2 minutes, maybe the 5% could grow to make the hubb the first choice for people interested in 4x4 travel, like it is for biker travellers.

I know this thread is officially meant to be only on the topic of LRs, but as it's the watering hole and no useful content is required, I'll carry on anyway :

5 or 6 years ago I borrowed a mate's TLC (1978 BJ75 Troopcarrier 3.4L 4 cylinder diesel with over 350kkm on the clock) for a 6 week 12kkm drive around southern Africa. The car felt a lot like a cage. A very slow cage. One where I was hemmed in and restricted. Driving it bored me to tears (and I had the interesting job = holding the steering wheel). My ex wife and son were close to despair (that could of course have been my company... ) with nothing to do.

The car was described as "Too stupid to break down": (It didn't).

By contrast, on a bike, you're in the film... (from Zen and the Art of... ?). Unless I'm physically unable to ride a bike, I won't ever use any 4x4 for travelling again.

In summary: If you think I talk bo!!ocks, put me on your ignore list. Sadly I can't do the same to others as I have to trawl the garbage too. That is until I can't be bothered any more and just remove the litterbug.

Just to clarify, Mr Warden (can I call you "The"? ), this post isn't aimed at you.

PS. A mod is able to read the utterance that people have deleted. Wouldn't the world be a nicer place if people thought carefully about what they wrote, rather than developing keyboard-warrior-ness, prior to realising they're not big after all?
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Lol well said. Unfortunately 2 wheel travel isn't always possible where wild animals with big teeth live. And there will always be those who bash other marques be it 4 wheels or two - I've seen BMW GS bikes being seriously dissed on some forums. As long as folk play the ball and not the man, all should be sweetness and light. Unfortunately, homo sapiens just aren't wired that way and so a pi****g contest ensues. Pity really.

Folks tend to use what suits in the long run - and that is often driven by finance. After all, we don't all have millions in the bank (thank goodness - how boring would that be?). What I hope is that people do their own due diligence before spending their dosh - it helps prevent the tears later.

Enjoy your travels - however you get to your destination. Just do it in safety and at least a little comfort ;-)
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your not comparing apples with apples.

The Toyota equivalent of a defender is the 70 series unfortunately not available in the uk. The closest LR to the cruiser you listed is the Discovery
Exactly, the Defender is in no way comparable to a 150 series or a 200 series Toyota.

Toyota produce the 70 series which is like the Defender in it's basic rugged design. But they don't sell them in Europe, I have seen them in use by military in Europe though.

Fair enough I agree that the 200 series in the UK is a lot of money (65k GBP) but then the closest Discovery to it is only 5,000 quid cheaper and has the 3.0 V6 diesel.

I agree the Defender has it's place in the market though, I'm just obviously not the kind of person they're aiming for.


I do like how at least we got a good discussion going in this forum though!
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TO throw yet another spanner into the works..... I like Mercedes G wagens and have recently bought a 1989 460....


But still have a Td5 110...
Well all sorts of vehicles crop up in this LR thread and the Toy continues to be discussed in here, but what makes me go all weak and wobbly at the knees is a Ford Transit van.
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