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This map appeared at http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...al-south-70438 in a discussion about where you do/don't need a CdP. The poster alleges it’s "official", although he never stated the source.


Other Hubbers presented the consensus that no CdP is required in the Americas. (the thread was about the Americas).

I believe it's inaccurate/wrong for Japan and the continent of Africa.

Traveling N to S through Africa, it can be done without: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...0-tenere-64769 however if trying to enter RSA at an airport or sea-port it is mandatory: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...oid-need-69788

Japan: at http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...t-carnet-65950 it says you can travel Sakahlin to Wakkanai without a CdP.

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I believe it to be, at best, very misleading. What are your comments on the map?
Of course it's misleading, and always has been.
There is only one "official" source, the organization that administers the CdP
system worldwide, Alliance International de Tourisme (AIT):

Public - Carnet de Passages en Douane

Note that AIT has no posted worldwide map, and has (always) included
these caveat footnotes:
"1.This list may contain errors due to changes in national legislation.
2. In certain African countries, the CPD is not officially required, but is often used to facilitate temporary importation.
3. In Brazil, the CPD is not required for vehicles entering by land routes, but it is required for vehicles arriving by boat.
4. In these European countries, the CPD is required only for certain categories of vehicles. The CPD is not required in these countries for private cars."

The AIT (list of required) CPD countries relies on information sharing among the national auto clubs who are authorized to issue/ administer the CPD on behalf of AIT. The information shared in turn depends on (changes in) national legislation, and like everything else, on the actual practice of border/ customs authorities.

Both the Swiss auto club (TCH) and German auto club (ADAC) have attempted such maps, always with the caveat that they are not guaranteed, and "based on best available information," e.g.

ADAC Reise & Freizeit - Carnet de Passages

"The information has been compiled with great care. For completeness and accuracy, no warranty can be accepted. Please inquire contact the relevant embassy or consulate to establish if existing (Import) prohibitions and restrictions."

That's why there's the HUBB and a hundred other forums to crowd source updates, and to provide endless discussion of accuracy
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When you just look what for experiences the Hubb Users had, then you can state soon that there is no carnet needed for africa (watching http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...tenere-64769-3).

But just because some did it without, is that correct?

This will mislead the reader i guess.

To a high percentage the guys on the boarders don`t know exactly what to do with us travelers and our papers. You can use the carnet where it is not allowed. Or not using it in these countrys where you have to.

Always is there the chance that you meet a guy, who know what is currently legal in his country.

That information our automobile clubs international has - are the most valid ones we can get.

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I think I saw a bit of a similar map in German ADAC´s webpage a few years ago. And if they just ask this information from their counterparts in South America, then sure there might be some countries, where it is officially “recommended”, even though not really needed. Note, that that´s not the same as “obligatory”.

Another problem with any map is that the situation is ever-changing – I went to Oz five years ago, and used the carnet, because I had one, but it was not mandatory to have it for Oz. Not too long after my trip it changed, and now it is mandatory.
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Of course it's misleading, and always has been.


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Yeh, lots of fun . No wonder they put these huge health warnings on stuff, when they print so much rubbish.

Summary so far is the map is inaccurate for the whole of the Americas, the whole of Africa, Japan, Malaysia and Nepal and correct for Australia.

In my travels I've found customs and immigration officers, including and particularly in Africa, to be well up on their rules and regulations. But hey ho, I know jack.

That situations change is reasonable and the way of the world and hence Wikis/country profiles can be updated accordingly. To blindly assume, like another poster on this thread, that just because others haven't followed the alleged "rules", they either cheated (bribed?) corrupt officials or hoodwinked stupid ones is quite arrogant/foolish, in my very humble opinion. Then again, deliberate repeating myself, I know jack.
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another nail in the coffin of the useless map..

NZ is possible without CdP

Yes you can enter NZ without a Carnet, You ask for a "DEED OF UNDERTAKING" In respect of motor vehicles imported under concession 80 part 2 of the Tariff act 1988

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...la-to-nz-63761
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Now Isaac has finished his Africa-Roundtrip (at least the part in africa) - without a carnet.

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...tenere-64769-2

He has ride a bike.

Is this valid for bikes and cars? That is not the only statement who implicate - that the handling between bikes and cars are different:


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...just over a year ago a friend and myself did East Africa on our bikes. It's not just Egypt but also Ethiopia and Sudan who insisted on having a Carnet on the border. Fortunately we had one. Others didn't. And couldn't cross...

All other countries between South Africa and the Ethiopian border will issue a Temporary Import Permit and you don't need a Carnet when on a motorbike. Other travelers we met came from Spain all through West Africa, South Africa and into Kenya without having a Carnet. However, they had to DHL one in from Spain in order to be allowed into Ethiopia.
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