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17 Feb 2013
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"Not to mention that with a Cpd you'll be asked for money at a lot of borders in order to stamp it."
NOT TRUE AT ALL.
I was never asked for any stamping fee for my Carnet in my 3 year African trip. There was sometimes a road tax or something that you paid regardless (Tanzania/Kenya), but never anything for entering with the carnet. I did the same countries as you plus quite a few more.
In a few cases there were audible sighs of disappointment when I produced it, as it mean't no opportunity for them to pocket a few dollars.
It made borders much easier I found - no need to talk to anybody, just get a stamp in and out (if they could be bothered doing it!).
Overall I think having a internationally recognised document is a great way of approaching things - I had 3 altogether, new ones sent out when the old one was going to expire, I'm not sure why you mention a one year limit?
However, I agree that the way the carnet system is handled for travellers is stupidly expensive and restrictive. Why is it valid for 12 months - why not 24 or 17 or 29 months? That alone cost me an extra £1,000 in having to have two new carnets couriered to me. F'ing stupid numbers on a piece of paper that caused me endless stress and money.
You have a bike though???
It seems easier with a bike - having a 4x4 like me I was clearly told that Kenya wouldn't allow you in without a carnet? Angola wouldn't give me a visa because my carnet would expire when I was going to be in the country (i.e.: I needed one to apply). Saudi would only give me a visa with the carnet etc.
My overall opinion was that it was much easier to have a carnet, but if I did the trip again I wouldn't use one due to the high costs and hassles when it expires.
If a carnet was £50 and valid for 5 years it would be a no brainer.
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I know of people asked for money for stamping the Cpd and we personally got asked for stamping our passport (exit stamp) so it is definitely possible. The fact you never got asked for money I guess is your personal luck. Anyway I know after you spend probably more than 1500£ on a Cpd it's hard to acknowledge that in the end is easier without this useless paper. At least for Africa and other parts of the world. I recon in the future the rest of the countries that still obsessed with this Cpd (Saudi Arabia, Iran, India, Pakistan, Australia) and the others that are closed for bikers (China, Burma, Vietnam) will change their politics. Time will tell.
I started this topic with costs in mind, here in Romania a Cpd is 500E. So I discovered that actually is cheaper for me with a TIP (probably like for most of the people)
I'm sure a lot of people don't start to explore Africa because of the costs and risks involved in a Cpd but hopefully not anymore.
Cheers,
John
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I know of people asked for money for stamping the Cpd and we personally got asked for stamping our passport (exit stamp) so it is definitely possible. The fact you never got asked for money I guess is your personal luck. Anyway I know after you spend probably more than 1500£ on a Cpd it's hard to acknowledge that in the end is easier without this useless paper.
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Definitely possible, but I was replying to the part where it said "asked for money at a lot of borders" which strongly implies that it would be a constant problem which it isn't. (Quite a change of tune by the way).
Us overlanders in Africa will always be asked for money in different ways as different officials fish, I was asked for money for a tv license in Nigeria for example, but with stamping carnets it seems well understood its for free - though some borders barely knew what to do with it coming down the west coast and sometimes people confuse an official charge as being for the carnet.
Some of how you get treated is also due to how you present yourself and your body language, along with who you are dealing with.
"Anyway I know after you spend probably more than 1500£ on a Cpd it's hard to acknowledge that in the end is easier without this useless paper."
I guess you mean that to be insulting as thats how it reads? A really lazy and untrue statement considering I laid out pluses and negatives above. You seem determined to be 'right' and better than others on this when its grey rather than black and white. And different with a 4x4 rather than a bike.
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15 Mar 2013
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Hi all!
(yes... we crossed from Kinshasa to Lubumbashi)
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Hi mrwhite!
I'm new here and I'm planning a trip like yours but starting/ending in spain on my 2010 GSA.
I was told the route from Kinsasha to Lumbashi is really hard near impossible to do by bike. Do you feel the same? I'm not Marc Coma but I believe I do have some skills to ride my bike properly off-road...
Plus, after reading your post I've decided to not buy a CPD, many thanks!!! 
I plan to cross Angola, but want to make sure the route to Lumbashi is still a possible option if I need to. Many thanks in advance for your reply!
Cheers!
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27 Mar 2013
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Hi mrwhite!
I'm new here and I'm planning a trip like yours but starting/ending in spain on my 2010 GSA.
I was told the route from Kinsasha to Lumbashi is really hard near impossible to do by bike. Do you feel the same? I'm not Marc Coma but I believe I do have some skills to ride my bike properly off-road...
Plus, after reading your post I've decided to not buy a CPD, many thanks!!!
I plan to cross Angola, but want to make sure the route to Lumbashi is still a possible option if I need to. Many thanks in advance for your reply!
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Cheers Isaac,
really hope you'll have a blast throughout Africa. It's an amazing place to ride and explore.
Regarding DRC I personally would not recommend the route form Kinshasa to Lubumbashi. For me in wet season was insane, Tony-on-the-Road and others crossed in dry and struggled (a lot of deep sand) and all reports are with bikes way lighter than your GS (4 Teneres and a 800GS). I really cannot picture a fully loaded 1200GSA doing this route. It's not about being Coma or not is just physics. There are areas with hundreds of miles of a sandy road with just "one lane" made of two 30-50cm deep trenches made by the lorries. It's nearly impossible to always maintain your track between the two trenches and when you will eventually end up in one you'll get stuck big time because the GS is really wide (boxer engine). Also there's the political unrest in the south. Just a week ago the Mai-Mai have tried to capture Lubumbashi and the shoot-out ended with casualties.
Just research the situation with the Angolan visa and get it where is possible (last time I heard it was possible in Accra/Ghana) and pray that the situation remain calm and you manage to cross through. 
Cheers,
John
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Thanks John, I will try hard to get Angola visa here in Spain!
Cheers!
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Yesterday I've reached Wadi Halfa. I'ts damn hot here... 47.5° Celcius, driving was not fun at all!!!
Anyway seems like I'm a lucky guy, My bike will leave tomorrow, and I will leave after tomorrow. Still no CPD, Total cost for the ferries, customs and all the legal stuff is 776 sudanese pounds, plus 240 for my passport registration (I didn't do it in Khartoum). I should be in Aswan on Wednesday, will update about Egypcian side! Wish me luck!
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Hey Mrwhite,
I'm planning a similar trip in Africa as yours was. Enter Egypt from Sudan and I wonder if I could by an entry visa at the border or not. Which border crossing did you use? I'm holding a Hungarian and a Canadian passports so I could use whichever. My bike is registered in Hungary. The issue is that if I get my Egyptian visa in Hungary it will expire by the time I get there.
Thanks for reply
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Hey Mrwhite,
I'm planning a similar trip in Africa as yours was. Enter Egypt from Sudan and I wonder if I could by an entry visa at the border or not. Which border crossing did you use? I'm holding a Hungarian and a Canadian passports so I could use whichever. My bike is registered in Hungary. The issue is that if I get my Egyptian visa in Hungary it will expire by the time I get there.
Thanks for reply
Regards
Tibor
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You can only enter Egypt from Sudan using the Ferry between Wadi Halfa and Aswan, and you can buy the visa on the same ferry, it costs something like 25 dollars.
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Thanks much.
Have a good one.
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