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Originally Posted by danny_fitz
My large group experience only applies to four wheels not two, but I think the same problems present themselves insofar as a clash of expectations and personalities. Touring Ted hits upon this quite well and recognise a lot of his observations.
To add, my personal experience is that the wannabe alpha male leaders are to be avoided at all costs. The sort of folk who assume 'leadship' roles not because they are good at it or have the requisite experience or can command the natural respect of the group, but because they just want to be top dog.....at all costs.
Seriously, the moment someone starts to display these traits you need to make a tough decision of heading off and doing your own thing or putting said alpha male back in his box or even better, out of the group. These are the kind of folk who will always be throwing rocks from the side, unable to admit when they are wrong and more then happy to take the credit for anything when it goes right. They are unable to accept that someone else may have a good idea/more experience/be more popular then them. These people are kryptonite to any kid of group cohesion.
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Some good points there Fitz
A truly sociopathic Fascistic leader should be avoided.

But hopefully your group leader is well vetted before assuming leadership.
On UNI Mog Caravans I can imagine serious snipping and whinging due to pure boredom from sitting in a metal box all day.

Bike groups have more fun, ride great roads fast and stay more occupied racing each other. In the evenings there are always tales to tell over drinks and recount the day.


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Authoritarian is bad but, IMO, groups do need a strong, smart leader. We may not like our Marine drill sargent either!

Leaders can never please everyone every time. What's nearly as bad as a bent leader is a leaderless group. Been there! Not good.
Some personality traits may not appear until STRESS enters the dynamic or someone challenges the leader or some other point of conflict crops up. In this, Fitz has it right. Bail out ASAP.
Group meetings and discussion are important, keeps group on the same page and reasonably happy. Important to air grievances and work things out sooner rather than later. It's called democracy, and unlike internet forums, EVERYONE has an equal voice and the group can DEPOSE the leader at any time. (their choice!)
In rare circumstances we've had riders leave the ride. Usually on good terms.
Our group leader is an impeccable planner, excellent navigator and personally KNOWS the routes by memory. Knows ride times/miles, Motels, knows back roads, dirt roads and alternate routes. 20 years doing California makes this possible. A good leader PRE RIDES the route. Documents everything and shares info with group. MAPS! It's a thankless, unpaid job, getting only the odd pint sent his way.

Nice variety on this dirt/street mix: DR650's, KLR's, R1200GS, 955i Tiger, DRZ400, KTM 990/950, KTM 640, XR650L and a few odd others.