Thanks for all the Replys, comments, answers, I take it that most of this information comes from a GB person perpective of the vehicle Licencing and insurance In GB

I think I may have found someone that can provide me with a Uk adress for documentation.
But that is only less than 1/ 3rd off the poblem, The biggest is this beleif in the UK that a person not licenced in the UK, would not be able to Drive successfully without insident in The UK, I mean your taffic is bad but, howbad it, that a driver any driver couldn't do it. Obvoiusly your country Driving licence and a international Driving permit mean nothing ( although I will have to renew this very soon)

Insurance to drive, well this is what I call 3rd party insurance, Not insurance for yourself, but insurance for any one else on the road in case of a accident.
I still ask the question Why is it only a UK resident can have this.
I have contacted many insurance companys over the last 2 weeks or so and some of they won't even answer my emails. This just tells me That they don't want to do business and make money.


European Green card, I have looked into this, but it is no good for driving in the UK to take the vehicle out of the UK, Once on the European contient yes I can put this vehicle in Insurance cover for the road.


Thanks for the search engine links , But I have done them all, every turn I make their is another UK brick wall their saying residency or residency and Uk licence or watever. or even just residency with money.

This just tells me the Uk is not interesed in the traveler. particulaaly one like me that was mearly using the UK as a starting point or a short or long journey.

People are doing these very types of trips all the Time, either with motor bikes for this forum or with vehcles, there would have been people from all round the world have done this before.
I just wonder weather the motorcycle rider is getting the same treatment.

I have a drivers licence, but this does not allow me to drive a vehicle in the UK. 6 or 7 hours to drive it to a ferry port.

Just to answer the question on ownership

at this stage I still don't have tille to the vehicle, the seller hasn't signed the forms a yet to transfer title.

But if their is no chance of getting 3rd party insurance , then their is no point continuing.

I still don't know the procedure to go about getting this Tax disc document that most say can just me bought from the post office.
What I have been told is I can't get this until I have a Insurance policy in force. Is this correct or can anybody else do this.

Ultimately now I have probably lost the vehicle and another $2000 or so If I can't get to the UK to sort in out, and there appears to be no way I can do this ONLINE (WEB) and pay online what is needed, paticully in the insurance policy areas. I can't even find a online application form for this.
Insurance policy.

The problem for me it is not a vehicle from somewhere else going to EUROPE, It is a Vehicle from GB going into the European continent.

Importing a vehicle from overseas into europe No problem, Green card insurance using exsisting rego or road tax.

Thanks to rory 799 I might just be finding some answers to this, but still got a bit of away to go tho.

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Dave wrote. ............................... I believe it does, but I am kind of loosing track of what you want to achieve. As per earlier, if you are just driving this vehicle to the port to export it and never bring it back to the UK then why bother with an MOT? So with a UK accommodation address, you have cracked it!!!!

If the Ford Transit Van that I have bought doesn't have MOT inspection done and is in Road Tax well how is it a legal vehicle to drive in France on its UK number plates.

No I will have to get the MOT, and The TAX disc plus the insurance , then probably more insurance for France. Its not made easy.

I need all this done by sombody else before I travel.

my itinary would be flight in to Paris, then get over to UK London.ASAP.

travel Trains and Buses to Scotland. Pick up vehicle, fuel up and supplys etc en route to Folkstone, or Harwich ferry port. trying to keep off the major highways etc, if I can't get insurance and Mot and tax sorted in my name. then I still have to now weather it need a export. I fought a UK plated vehicle could just travel to the european continent without forms. etc

yes I have found someone that can give be a postal address, but I still don't have the Insurance down yet. Why are the insurance company being so difficult. I need to get it all done online and paid online before I travel.
every online company I have looked at don't have online facilitys.

The seller has kindly stored this vehicle for me for the last 6 months at a low charge. but he won't let me drive it without insurance while the MOT and Tax is still in his name. And he has said he can't pay it and then transfer it to me. (he says that can't be done)

so I found a address so far

European Green card, I have looked into this, but it is no good for driving in the UK to take the vehicle out of the UK, Once on the European contient yes I can put this vehicle in Insurance cover for the road.

dave
The green card insurance I have found with a insurer in Germany Knop Tours, my contact with them (STEFAN) by email, they suggest that it won't cover me for travel in the UK, it is only for the European continent countrys in the situation were the vehicle is imported into the EU from other Countrys, Ie a Australian motor bike, which ias there area of specialist insurance for travels on motor bikes.

So I take it from what I have been told, this would be ok for Europe but not to pick up the vehicle in the UK. I would prefer not to have to pay for two different policys for the same thing.

I'll just have see what my helper can find, and wht it might or might not cover. Uk and EU etc.

Thank you all

Road tax is only required when using the vehicle on Public Roads in UK. MOT is also a 'local' requirement.

If you have insurance in any EU member state it must by EU law cover you in all other EU states.


Forget Export. We covered this with you ages ago.

Travelling in Europe you should have the Registration Document (V5C) and proof of insurance but you will not be asked to show anything while moving between EU countries - unless you get stopped by Police for some reason.

It is nothing to do with him if you drive it with or without MOT.
It is nothing to do with him if you drive it with or without Tax as long as he has notified DVLA of the transfer of Registered Keeper.
These would be your problems, not his.
If the vehicle has Tax and MOT these can be passed over to any new owner - they are 'personal' and specific to the vehicle, not the owner.


Forgive me for being blunt, but I feel you are just going round in circles and not getting to solving anything.

If you are up to buying a vehicle off Ebay half way round the World, you really ought to have known first how to go about it and what you are getting yourself in for. Sadly you did not. But accepting you are where you are (figuratively), a number of people here have been trying to assist you with information and ideas.

I have not read on this thread any wrong bit of advice or bad suggestion to getting out of your difficulty (accepting ignoring some UK regulations) but you seem to want to keep introducing various new wrong stuff you have "heard or been told".
At some point people here will get tired of repeating things.

Huge thread here http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ong-term-39472
try my post number 89 on page 6 . Says it all really about most of your queries.

Although inter-dependant on each other to some extent, I strongly suggest you clearly separate and understand each issue in your own mind and then decide to deal with or ignore each one as you choose - MOT - Tax - Registered Keeper - Insurance - Driving Licence - V5C - using vehicle outside UK.

The only thing that MUST happen is the present Registered Keeper will want to come off the DVLA register - he can only do that by putting someone else on (ignoring scrapping and exporting it himself). Other than that it is all down to you.

The time is near to "either sh1t or get off the pot" as the Americans so quaintly put it.

Good luck.

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Not so.
A 'full age' visitor who has a foreign Drivers Licence is permitted to drive similar classes of vehicles in UK on it for a limited period (I forget if it is 6 months or a year). After this period it must either be surrendered/exchanged for a UK equivalent or if issued by countries where Test Standards are not considered by DVLA to be sufficiently rigid (ie. can be bought, as where I am!) you must take the UK tests.

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AND, you don't even have to show your driving licence to get the tax disc at a post office or online - that thing you are so worried about. That aspect is taken into account by the insurance companies who will want to know about the fact that you have one and all the rest of the information about your age and similar factors when you apply for insurance.

For background information, this linking of databases on various computer records developed relatively recently (as in the last few years) with the insurance records being linked to the DVLA - up until then there were any amount of fiddles going on that resulted in uninsured vehicles being used on the roads - even now, some insurance companies estimate that up to 10% of vehicles on the UK roads are not insured - hence you could probably get to a ferry terminal as discussed earlier if you don't actually care about bringing that vehicle back here ------- buy the vehicle with a valid tax disc/MOT and still covered by the current owners' insurance (in the latter case for a day or two) - that takes care of all the ANPR cameras which don't who is actually at the wheel - and high-tail it to the ferry. When the V5c is received at your accommodation address you just need that to be forwarded to you, where ever you are by then.
The outcome then is that you have a UK registered vehicle overseas and without insurance cover, but that is a whole different topic.

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You will only need the V5C for certain when entering/leaving the EU or Schengen zone from/to a non member country, although in theory ......stuff theory, you've tried to do it correctly and DVLA is predictably being the least user-friendly and the most unhelpful public body in UK (more so than even the Tax people)!

Another solution could be to transport the vehicle on a trailer or lorry and unload it once on the port's own land. This does not have to be southern England. There are ferries from various ports along the east coast, sailing to various ports on mainland Europe, mainly Scandinavia. There are certainly some from Newcastle which is close to Scotland - possibly from ports in Scotland also.

For Insurance, you could try www.stuartcollins.com
They are insurance brokers who specialise in insurance for UK registered vehicles (not motos) that spend much time outside UK, elsewhere in EU.

An important point to remember is in UK, to legally own a vehicle it does not have to be Registered in your name. As Owner you have what they call an 'Insurable Interest' and you can insure it, even without the Registered Keeper having yet received the V5C - subject to meeting Insurer's other requirements (age, valid licence, claims record, offences record, etc).

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Tony, I have already found out from my communication with the DVLA UK that my Australian Driving Licence C class (a vehicle up to 4.5 Ton) won't transfer over to a UK C1 licence (vehicle 3.5 ton to 7.5 ton)

This Ford Transit being a small bus is border line 3.5 ton So it should be classed as a B class licence. I hope.

I am told that it is under 3.5 t.
I really don't need to get stopped for having the wrong type of licence catagory.

anyway I can't just keep talking about it here I will just have to see what I can get and what it will cost $$$ for the insurance MOT and tax etc

Thank you all

warrigal

What started out as a van has become a Transit (still a van but larger than a car based van) and now a bus and possibly in another weight category?
I am not up on Classes although I thought all transits were below weight limits and could be driven with a car driving licence. In my businesses we had quite a few of them - LWB, extra height, double axles, etc - always the guys only required car licences. We even had Aussie and NZ drivers! Although this was all a few years back.

An exception possibly could be as you now call it a 'small bus'. It may have been registered as a PSV (Public Service Vehicle) instead of a PLG (Private & Light Goods) which may have other requirements. It may also need special Test and Inspection certificates other than the usual MOT for cars and light vans.
Again, I may be a bit out of date with terminology!

(My previous post was written before seeing your one here, but still applies)

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The seller has said it is clasiffied as a PIG, and it is now a light goods vehicle not a BUS, so it should be under 3.5 ton.

even with some help , I still have no quotes for insurnace as yet.

And as I have said before there is no time to archive all this on my arrival in the UK.

So at this point in time only one month away from travel time, I still have no title to the vehicle, Because I have no insurance, policy so title can be transfered.
I still have the problem with the coming MOT inspection April, and just getting away with not getting it done is not a situation I am prepared to take a chance on.

Then there is paying the next tax which I assume is dependant on the MOT inspection.

so uk address.

I will see what my helper can come up with but everwhere I have looked turned and tryed online, they can't accomodate me, to Pay online with credit.

FFS..... SEPARATE THE ISSUES and deal with each in turn.

TAX.
Your opening post said "I have bought a van on ebay in the UK which is soon April 2012 to run out of MOT and tax. from then it needs the inspection get get back in MOT and TAX."

Tax belongs to the vehicle, not the Owner nor the Registered Keeper.
Unless the Seller cancels it for a refund (to get a bigger refund he would have done it 6 months ago is when you said you bought it) it just passes on with the vehicle just as much as does any petrol in the tank.

It would always run out at the end of a month - 30 April if what you say in Post No 1 is correct.

So tax is not a problem as you say you are coming to collect it in a months time. That gives you over 10 weeks (less a day) from now to collect it and get it out of the UK.

Once not on UK Public Roads it does not require TAX (but you should SORN it or declare it permanantly exported - see below)
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Next issue -

MOT.
MOT is identified to the vehicle, not any Owner. The piece of paper should just be handed over with the keys. Nothing else to do.

As above, you say it expires in April. This can be any date in April - we don't know which. Even so, you have a minimum of 6 weeks (less a day) of MOT before it runs out (possibly up to 10weeks less a day) and you are coming in a month's time.

If it runs out near the start of April this is not an immediate problem as you have the Tax. MOT databases are not immediately linked to roadside ANPR checks (yet!) unlike Tax and Insurance. Any penalty would be small and not restrict your journey unless a Police Officer then and there issues you with a Notice declaring the vehicle unsafe.

As with Tax, MOT is only necessary if the vehicle is used on UK Public Roads.
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Next issue-

REGISTERED KEEPER.
If you have an address, as you now say you have, get the seller to -
-complete your name & address on Part 6 of his V5C.
-copy a scan of your signature, or do something like it, in your signature section on Part 8.
-remove Section 10 to keep to give to you.
-send it off to DVLA today.

The self imposed DVLA target for sending a new V5C is 4 weeks so it should be waiting for you when you arrive.

You then have a document that you can use to take the vehicle into practically every other country in the World.
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Next issue-

DVLA.
By end April you will have the vehicle (out of UK), with you as its Registered Keeper and with V5C that will enable your travels elsewhere.

The tax expires and so you should then renew it (if using it on UK Public Roads) or make a SORN declaration (you can do it on-line if you have the V5C with you). That SORN runs out a year later and should be renewed then.

Longer term you will want to get off the Register. You do this by signing are returning Part 11 (Notification of permanent Export) or write telling them you have broken up the vehicle and no longer have it (as described in the very final paragraph on the new style pink V5C).
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Next issue-

DRIVING LICENCE.
As I said before, you are permitted to drive in UK on a Foreign Licence for a good few months - at least 6.
I believe you can drive PLG vehicles up to a declared unladen weight of 3.5 tons on a Car Licence (non automatic).
You check this out.
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Next issue-

INSURANCE.
The link I gave you should be able to sort this out, as can many others. Many on-line insurers, for ease of quick business, do not like anything unusual that requires more thought or effort on their part.

Keep trying and don't alert them to what you see are potential problems. Keep it simple yet correct.
You would have a UK Address and be Owner and Registered Keeper of a UK Registered Vehicle. No real problem other than cost due to lack of driving claims history. It can be done online with some Brokers who even issue Documents and Certificate of Insurance on line.

Any insurance MUST include minimum levels of insurance required by Law throughout EU (plus Norway, Switzerland & little bits more). The Certificate of Insurance will be acceptable proof by all Police there.
If going outside EU there will be facilities at or near the border to purchase local insurance.

This is what you have to organise yourself but outside that -
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I hope this is the end of the thread other than to see a post in April saying "SORTED!".
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To other HUBBers - unless I am glaringly incorrect, don't divert the thread with relatively insignificant detail of little practical consequence.
The guy needs to be pushed into believing, not frightened off.
He also needs to tell the Seller to stop w4nking him about with false info!
Encourage him. I'm exhausted!

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I'm impressed with that multi-quote skill! How off topic is that??

Seriously, I agree - the seller of this van is not helping at all and you, the purchaser, need to be much firmer (a polite word here) with what you want him to do; as Tony says, he is jerking you around or he genuinely has no idea what he is talking about.
I'll say it one more time, because the van has current MOT/RFL he could insure it under his name (at your cost) for, say, a month so you can drive it out of the UK past the cameras.

I totally endorse the idea of getting out of the UK asap; check out ferry routes from Newcastle, NE England, and Hull, also nearish to NE England. It may be that one or more ferry companies are running out of the Firth of Forth (Edinburgh) by then - some do for the summer season.
No one within the EU wants to see your vehicle documents unless you draw attention to yourself.
ps Don't forget to bring that set of Oz plates with you as a plan B.

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