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We have not had peace in Europe for 70 years, what about Yugoslavia, what about Northern Ireland, What about the Falklands (not in Europe I know, but part of the sovereign territory of a European country)? Was the cold war really peace? And European countries have been involved in numerous other wars, including starting them. A British soldier has died in action almost every year since WW2.
here is a list of wars in europe since WW2, it doesn't include police actions and peace keeping, such as Northern Ireland
Greek Civil War (Greece)
Invasion of Czechoslovakia (USSR)
Ten-Day War (Slovenia vs. Yugoslavia)
Croatian War of Independence (Croatia vs. Yugoslavia)
Georgian Civil War
East Prigorodny Conflict (Ingush militia vs. Russia)
War of Transnistria (Transnitria vs. Moldavia)
Bosnian War (Bosnia vs. Yugoslavia)
Albanian Rebellion
First Chechen War
War of Dagestan
Second Chechen War
Russo-Georgian war
2014 pro-Russian conflict in Ukraine
2014 Crimean crisis
War in Donbass
2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine
Europe has enjoyed many years of peace previously, notably after the Napoleonic wars.
remaining in the EU actually represents one of the greatest threats to our security since the end of the cold war.
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This scared the crap out of me!! A facinating and informative insight to the current political situation.
We are about to make the biggest single decision of our lives, our children's lives, and their children's lives, don't get it wrong!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0
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We can't be wrong, the winners will write (and even re-write) the history. Look at all those silly Americans, Indians, Texans and Irish breaking away from the biggest Empire in the world and heading off to certain economic misery etc.
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Real politics of the EU
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And how many of the major European powers were directly involved in them? Total European war is now unthinkable.
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The UK has not declared war since 1939 and is unlikely to do so again for the foreseeable.
But, it has engaged in conflicts worldwide, as exemplified by the previous list and has lost servicemen, and women, to active service in every year since 1939, except during 1963 - see the national arboretum memorial in Staffordshire for the details.
In part answer to your questions, those european forces which are capable of projecting force do it; many european nations do not have that capability which may be why the EU wishes to develop a common armed forces to match it's embryonic foreign policy* (you do have to relate to the fact that there is such a thing as the latter in existence now and there are EU "embassies" scattered around the world including one for London).
* the current head of this EU diplomatic corp (their description, not mine) is an ex-member of the Italian communist party and yet another non-elected appointee.
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I'm up for that 
War is never going to be like 1914 or 1814 again. As soon as a major power is an obvious loser things get very very bad  . Instead there will be cold war, hacking, proxy support of terrorists etc. The Russians (for want of an example Bogeyman) will find it just as easy to support nut jobs in the EU as out until the people all feel European. So far there doesn't seem much progress in making all the people of Belgium, the Spanish Peninsula, the island of Ireland etc. feel like that, which leaves open the possibility that going smaller and not having responsibility for other peoples minorities might a better option. If the EU sends a British regiment under a German commander to shoot Catalans I wonder how European we would all feel?
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Back on the economic tack, "well, he would say that wouldn't he" but he is also quoted, separately, to the effect that Germany would cut a trade deal with the UK asap after a Brexit vote so as to protect the German car manuf industry.
This is him, by the way:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Sch%C3%A4uble
I referenced a day or two ago what the German (lack of) balance of payments is doing to the rest of Europe, and the Eurozone in particular.
Here is the more technical description:-
https://ineteconomics.org/ideas-pape...cing-conundrum
As it happens, Herr S is ignoring international treaties of the WTO.
The broad theme contained above is known as "moral hazard" - well worth a bit of research for anyone who is interested and has the time.
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None of that answered the question! None of it was relevant?
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Seems to be a common theme of spamming the HuBB with irrelevant posts and links.
Anyway everyones forgotten the 3rd option
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Seems to be a common theme of spamming the HuBB with irrelevant posts and links.
Anyway everyones forgotten the 3rd option
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I considered posting that about a week ago, but desisted.
I recall that someone or other is looking for the culprits with a sense of humour.
Of course, men (young ones anyway) are always looking out for the beaver.
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I'm enjoying some of the posts on this thread, even though it's outside of the normal non-political remit of HUBB, but it's important that when you disagree with something you 'play the ball, not the player'. By all means politely disagree with a post and present an alternative view but calling fellow HUBBers rude names is just not on.
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None of the graffiti artists round here could spell that. I blame the politicians or the immigrants or the EU or.... 
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None of the graffiti artists round here could spell that. I blame the politicians or the immigrants or the EU or....
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Definitely the immigrants....they come over here and steal all our jobs and write on all our signs 
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