So a US company moving HQ to Switzerland is them taking over our jobs.

From a US company, not a British one.

So that's a service type industry I take it? More of admin roles etc. Not manufacturing.

See I have a big problem with the way the UK now relies on banking, insurance, financial services etc.
We used to be the biggest industrial nation on earth, hell we started the industrial age. Now we're importing skills from France to build us some power stations.

We built the first commercial passenger jet, and in collaboration with the French, built the only successful supersonic passenger aircraft. Concorde. Yet today we buy from the US and France.

We once exported our skills and goods around the world, now we take a back seat and see what crumbs some faceless non elected bureaucrats throw us.

The skill level in the UK today is very poor.

Most industries are screaming out for skilled workers. There are very few apprenticeships to be had for the young, and those being done are a shadow of the ones that we did.
Our industrial nation is grinding to a halt, not through lack of work but lack of skills.

The government is now messing with the education system again we see. Its already a mess, and about to get a whole lot worse.

The only ones getting richer are politicians and bankers. A lot richer.

I think the government are bricking it. If we do vote out, it will cost a lot of them and their financial institution chums lots.

Yes this will have some backlash further down the food chain, however people will still need the basics. Food will need delivering, lorries will need mending etc, and life will go on.
If Tarquin can't afford his new Bentley, I really don't give a stuff.

Dont get me wrong, the British public can also share in our downfall. Sale of our own domestic products has always taken a beating at home.
Both the car and motorcycle industries are almost extinct due to the British consumer buying foreign vehicles over our own. But then if we were able to apply import duty, I think the number would have dropped significantly.

So back to your point. No its not one of our jobs. Its an imported one for a foreign company that will be sending profits out of the UK and being a further burden in the long run.

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Yes.

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Paul "Every county of England, every country of Europe and every (part of every inhabited) continent of the Earth" 94% done! What's left? Central America, East, Central and West Africa, Australia & New Zealand

The British car industry is alive and well. The fact a Nissan is made in Sunderland makes it no less British that a Cortina made in Dagenham. No one will upset this massive organisation of trained, efficient workers. If they could pick it up and move it without trouble it would be in China now. We won't stop buying their BMW's so they'll have to keep buying our Nissans. The components are Chinese anyway, so only the point of entry into the EU changes.

BMW are vocal about brexit because in the UK their brand commands a premium where as in others it drops down amongst the high-average ones. They correctly anticipate any spat will effect both BMW and Mini, but this is one German company trying to avoid a bit extra work not the whole economy.

Andy

Which one? Morgan or McLaren?

The British car industry is now owned by foreign companies or, as you pointed out, a foreign car maker with a plant over here to get round import duty and costs.

It really grates when you see smiling politicians happy that Jonny foreigner is building there cars over here and creating so many new jobs. They fail to add where the company profits are heading - out of the UK. Add in the loss of import duty that would be payable.

Jobs that would have been in the UK anyway if they hadn't meddled with our industries in that first place with forced mergers and selling off for a pittance.
Then when they sold them to their chums for next to bugger all, who then thoroughly screwed the companies, workforce and even dipped into pension schemes to fund their lifestyles, allow them to get off scot free.

This whole EU debate is really a question of who is going to screw us over the least. To be honest, I'm not sure.

Yes the EU has developed into a monster that is getting pretty much out of control, that is now making pretty bad decisions to try to hold it together.
On the other you have our own political parties that look no further into our countries future than the next general election, will sell us all down the river to get one over their opposition and above all are all in it to line their own pockets and further their own careers.

Welcome to the reality of capitalism. You can have your freedoms if you can afford it.

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But western, and westernised, nations are no longer engaged in capitalism, and therein lies the heart of the problem.

In short, real economies for real people in the real world have been abandoned by the financial engineering plutocrats (and how I do hate the latter expression and the associated bastardisation of the word "engineering").

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