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Originally Posted by moggy 1968
I am all in favour of freedom of trade and the freedom of movement granted to European citizens, but the Common Market has given birth to a monster called the EU that bears little or no resemblance to the ideals of it's birth.
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Why call it a monster? Why do the no crowd always use loaded and emotive language which reads like something you'd find in a Daily Mail column? Seems to me a lot of people here just regurgitate puff pieces and opinion. Let's talk facts shall we?
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Originally Posted by moggy 1968
If I were a veteran of WW2 I would look in dismay at the way Germany has gained economic control of Europe and wonder if it was all really worth it. Germany runs the EU, economically and politically. To have a country like Greece forced to follow the same economic policy as Germany is madness, utter madness. It was this rigidity of fiscal policy in an area of economic and political diversity that destroyed the Irish economy. Years before the crash everyone knew the Irish economy was overheating, but because they were economically shackled to Europe that had entirely different economic pressures.
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How does Germany run the EU Can you point to what legal structure or framework of the EU has allowed Germany to gain unfair leverage; and provide examples of how Germany used this? Shouldn't the best performing economy in the EU have more leverage than say a weak one? Any facts to back this up?
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Originally Posted by moggy 1968
So in Essence I want freedom of trade, and Freedom of movement for European citizens, but I don't want this monster of bureaucracy, corruption, micromanagement and meddling that the EU has become.
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Are the two separable? By 'meddling' do you mean the legislation on air pollution, river destruction and health I pointed to earlier or did you have something else in mind? Do you think if we vote to leave the Europeans will be so accommodating to give us what we want? i.e. All the benefits and none of the costs? You can't have it both ways - either vote to stay in and pressure through reform or vote to leave and live with the consequences. Why should the UK be given special treatment?
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