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Originally Posted by noel di pietro
Not so the new AT  It feels so incredibly light compared to the XRV that it is almost spooky! It feels lighter than an XT660Z! Tilting it to 30/40 degrees (towards me while standing) was no problem at all! On top of that it is suposed to be great on highways. One journalist wrote that 160kph is a good cruising speed for the CRF  Well, that did it for me. I have ordered one!
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That's impressive! I just hope Honda is not up to the tricks Triumph used to do at bike shows (and other OEM's as well).
Triumph (I know this for a FACT) used "dummy" engines for show bikes.
No internals ... No crank, rods, pistons, cams, valve gear. Nothing inside!
The bikes were positively featherweights to push around or lay over. Triumph admitted to the trick later but I'm thinking a lot of average show attendees never knew, bought a new Tiger or something and found it was just a plain old heavy Pig in reality.
This was back in around 2002 or '03. Triumph claimed it was a "cost" thing since they could not ever sell the show bikes, so why put all the "guts" in them? These bikes traveled all over the world to shows.
They also said it made the demo fleet cheaper and easier to move, load and unload. Once this came out in the press ... they never did it again. But word is several other OEM's have done this in the past ... or may be currently doing it now??
I've leaned 520 lbs. bike over several times to test weight ... not light!
(BMWGS, Vstrom 1000, Capo Nord, all round 520 lbs. wet )
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Originally Posted by mollydog
That's impressive! I just hope Honda is not up to the tricks Triumph used to do at bike shows (and other OEM's as well).
Triumph (I know this for a FACT) used "dummy" engines for show bikes.
No internals ... No crank, rods, pistons, cams, valve gear. Nothing inside!
The bikes were positively featherweights to push around or lay over. Triumph admitted to the trick later but I'm thinking a lot of average show attendees never knew, bought a new Tiger or something and found it was just a plain old heavy Pig in reality.
This was back in around 2002 or '03. Triumph claimed it was a "cost" thing since they could not ever sell the show bikes, so why put all the "guts" in them? These bikes traveled all over the world to shows.
They also said it made the demo fleet cheaper and easier to move, load and unload. Once this came out in the press ... they never did it again. But word is several other OEM's have done this in the past ... or may be currently doing it now??
I've leaned 520 lbs. bike over several times to test weight ... not light!
(BMWGS, Vstrom 1000, Capo Nord, all round 520 lbs. wet )
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The AT I am talking about was not a dummy bike but a dealer riding demo!
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