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First of all, like others said, take the bike you prefer. And then maybe choose the roads for it . I like guzzis a lot but I wont go RTW with for mechanical problems reasons ( serious and documented ones you may find on fora of aficions here in France and Italy  )
A honda will do this job for sure , a bmw also ( an old one not sure for the "water" 1250) or wahtever , a SV, DL ...
90 % and 10 % well well , some 1% could be impossible to cross withe these heavy "trailies" .  i can give examples .
And there are some other occasions, except if you are really trained or/and very strong , like going on a little boat, pussing the bike up after falling 10 times and so on .
anyway wait for the tests . 
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First of all, like others said, take the bike you prefer. And then maybe choose the roads for it . :
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Absolutely spot on. Too many people seem to be buying into someone else's idea of the perfect ride.
Buy what suits you and use it where you want to go.
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Absolutely spot on. Too many people seem to be buying into someone else's idea of the perfect ride.
Buy what suits you and use it where you want to go.
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I think you're missing the point of a FORUM and why we are here. 
The OP asked for thoughts/opinions on the AT. This discussion has been useful & educational IMO ... and has spread to different bikes, some in the same class, some not. Getting "someone else's idea" is the whole point.
Would you have the OP make his choice of bike based on .... NOTHING?
No experience? No feed back from others? No alternatives presented. Forums are here for the exchange of ideas and opinions. If folks don't post at all ... HUBB would just vanish.
Yes, in the end the individual must decide on bike choice ... but it's always best to have done good research about bikes one is interested in. Good or bad, it's all part of it. 
(who knows, you might actually learn something!  )
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I've enjoyed this thread... it's given me lots of food for thought!
Ultimately, yes, we all buy the bike we want to buy, but no harm in a little bike chat in between rides if you ask me. And if I just wanted to hear a chorus of "the Africa Twin is definitely the best bike ever!" I'd have asked the question on the Africa Twin forum (which is actually growing into a nice little forum, by the way) 
Actually, a few weeks ago I was leaning heavily towards the Super Tenere instead, but a lot of things I've read lately have contributed to me now favoring the Africa Twin. Although no-one has said "yes, get the AT" - because how can they, no one has ridden it yet - a few of the things said on here has influenced me in the direction of getting the slightly more off-roady of the two. So it's been a useful exercise.
No offense to Super 10 owners though... I do hear they're fantastic bikes, and I think you're all very lucky to have one!
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Well,I think that is the point of a DS bike, a jack of all trades. It seems in regard to the Tenere anyhow lots found it overall better than the FJR they were riding in regards to comfort, that of course is subjective.
While I think a DS bike makes sense for overall world travel seeing people such as Sajaak and Nick do it on sportbikes certainly makes one wonder.
I guess in the end it just comes down to determination to get it dine regardless of ride, I mean how on earth did the couple on a hog think it was a good Idea to see the world on that big pickle barrel, but they certainly did. 
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I just bought a 2015 Tenere for two up road touring, the two big adventure bikes, GS and Tenere make the most comfortable bikes for this purpose. The AT fits into my way of thinking as a road touring bike for one person.
Lucky that I have other bikes for off road use.
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Well,I think that is the point of a DS bike, a jack of all trades. It seems in regard to the Tenere anyhow lots found it overall better than the FJR they were riding in regards to comfort, that of course is subjective.
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No question the Tenere is the more versatile bike vs. FJR. But not much of a contest there. The FJR has some serious ergonomic problems. Long of leg riders will know this. I loved the power of the FJR but hated the lack of ground clearance, super HEAT and sharply bent knee due to no leg room.
I tested the FJR for 2 day at a Yamaha intro ... fun bike but not one I'd pay for. Any of the Big Trailies, IMO, are better as a travel bike, especially two up.
But put the Tenere' against the usual suspects in the class. That's subjective too ... but it's a closer thing. Most reviews rate the Tenere' down the order a bit with the GS, KTM and MultiStrada consistently rated higher in every category.
I'm not a BMW fan but must rate the BMW R12 GS near the top. KTM and Ducati have more power but something about confidence on bad roads with the BMW puts it out front in most situations. Not the fastest nor lightest but it just works so well on nasty roads. Off road? Good luck!
How much damage can you do in just 100 yds. of deep sand?
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Having downsized in recent years to bikes light enough to ride across ploughed fields that have been mulched with rocks, I didn't think I would be the slightest bit interested in the new Africa Twin.
However there's an extremely positive review by Alun Davies in the Jan/Feb 2016 issue of Adventure Bike Rider that praises the 'low seat, high ground clearance' and positively raves about the DCT in difficult off-tarmac conditions. Quote, "This is the most impressive big bore 'true' adventure bike I've ridden to date." The only criticism was its pillion carrying ability.
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Why didn't they ride the virgin ground either side?
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I tested the FJR for 2 day at a Yamaha intro ... fun bike but not one I'd pay for. Any of the Big Trailies, IMO, are better as a travel bike, especially two up
But put the Tenere' against the usual suspects in the class. That's subjective too ... but it's a closer thing. Most reviews rate the Tenere' down the order a bit with the GS, KTM and MultiStrada consistently rated higher in every category.
I'm not a BMW fan but must rate the BMW R12 GS near the top. KTM and Ducati have more power but something about confidence on bad roads with the BMW puts it out front in most situations. Not the fastest nor lightest but it just works so well on nasty roads. Off road? Good
How much damage can you do in just 100 yds. of deep sand?
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Reviews that *gasp* rate euro bikes higher than jap bikes? Nooooo
That is why I killed my magazine subscriptions years ago, regardless of how good a gap bike is and how poorly the Euros do, they always win a shootout.
In the real world I won't waste my time with such bikes, maintenance is more expensive as are parts which can at times be weeks out, regardless of how well they perform. Good luck with that.
The picture is death valley riding to the sliding rocks?
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