Wow! ....... John you've excelled yourself with that comment !

I can only assume you have been having a bad day?

While you are of course, fully entitled to your view and thoughts on anything you choose, and indeed to express them in any shape and form you choose. There is a time and place for them.
To come to a forum website which is proliferated by people who travel in the very places you refer to, with such ridiculous preconceptions of doom and gloom........... is honestly quite laughable.

You give the impression of a clueless teenager ! You're clearly not, but with comments like that will only serve to make people have "ridiculous preconceptions of doom and gloom......" about John933. Which is no doubt completely ridiculous, ......right?

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Regards Tim

Learning my craft for the big stuff, it won't be long now and it's not that far anyway

This is your first post on the subject. Not knowing what it was pertaining to. I'll give you a bit of back ground information to see if I can clear the muddy water's. There are two young lad's. Who both are caring injures of such a level that has seen them both come out of hospital. Then they post up saying about riding to Cape town South Africa. Then they tell us that it's there first time out on a bike, touring.


I was trying to point out that it could be a bridge too far. And a trip with in the EU could well get them blooded in to traveling. I then went on to give the reason's why. It was at that time the Mod's moved the post from that section to the pub. So what has been said before has all been lost.


With that lot in mind I still stand by what I have posted. I'm not no dumb azz poo shooter. Who douse not know what they are talking about. It's a case of learn to walk before you try to run.


Just to put the recorded straight. The place's I have been but not on a bike are. Aden, Worked up and down the Gulf, Two year's. Bangladesh, Singapore, and most of the Malaya. Crossing in to the Philippines, Then down on in to Darwin. British Solomon Island and Mombasa. And that's the place I can remember while I'm sitting here. Bet there is a few I've missed off.


My post to the two lad's. Was trying to be helpful, and informative.
John933

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To buy petrol in Europe. Pull up at station. Wait. Get out a 20 Euro note, then ask someone to fill up the bike. Give person money. Ride away. Simple.

I have no idea what you're talking about now! You started this thread in the sub-forum "Questions That Don't Fit Anywhere Else"

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-fit-anywhere/

All I did was move the whole thing to the Pub which is where I thought your unique rantings in post #1 belonged. Nothing deleted/ nothing edited/ nothing disappeared or whatever!

Good luck!

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Must be losing my mind. Where am I going to.
John933

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To buy petrol in Europe. Pull up at station. Wait. Get out a 20 Euro note, then ask someone to fill up the bike. Give person money. Ride away. Simple.

Nowhere out of Europe I'm guessing

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My memory is becoming that good, I should be able to organise my own surprise party soon

I'm a bit sad to see some of the answers to John original post.

If you reread his post he is just asking a question and stating his frame of mind. I admit some generalities were thrown, but I don't think it is fair to ask for everybody to have the same open mind about the state of the world as a prerequisite to ask a question on this forum. I would not want to be a member of any site that require abiding to a predetermined set of values and ideology.

I think the only imperative is that we are respectful of one another.

That being said, I think John comment was very interesting because it raises a legitimate question about the perception versus the reality of developing countries.

While I think that it is true that in general people have exaggerated perception of the danger of these places, I also think that there is a tendency here on the HUBB to give an overly positive image of those places, bypassing the ugly and highlighting the beautiful, probably, I imagine, in an effort to counter the common negative perception. I think the reality lies in the middle (isn't it always the case?).

If you ask me to convey one primary impression of South America, it won't be a positive one. Sure I have incredible memories, it is a land of amazing adventures, the roads there, the possibilities for riding your bike are simply phenomenal and I'm quite certain that you could not live the same kind of adventure in Europe.

That being said the level of adventure and excitement that you can find there should not be confused with what would be an objective (as mush as objectivity is possible) impression of those countries on a human perspective. I've seen things there that have touched me, troubled me, saddened me so much that when you ask me how was latin america, it is those emotions that take the first spot. But after I told you about it , I'll tell you how amazing my trip was

So to answer John's original question, why go there? Because sometime going into places where you are out of you comfort zone and places that scares you is the best way to learn new things and to extend the experience you're going to have in this world. Somethings require a bit of suffering to be reached. Like crossing the altiplano desert, scared because you are in the middle of nowhere and your bike could break, but at the same time the beauty of the landscape mixed with the fear and the excitement makes for the most explosive cocktail of memories. I suspect there's a few people on that forum who are addicted to that cocktail

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It's a form of intolerance of other opinions and it's been in the HUBB for a while.

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Dave

:confused1: Errr No. This thread was started by you. If you want to reply to them .. do it on their thread.. not start a new one and expect them to relate one to the other. There are a lot of conversations (threads) here ... I don't expect one to be directly related to another, so I don't read them all.


And the responders here did not have that information. And having now got it ... I say

Good on their adventurous spirit. They will have fun, learn heaps. They can learn lots here reading, asking questions .. but doing it is the real thing. Don't hold them back. Go for it guys.

If you read the Forwood's (sp?) blog here then you'll find their first description of Morocco as a third world country .. then a revision of their view of Morocco to a clean, well serviced country ... it all depends on your experience, and you don't get that experience by staying local.