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enough already, gore-tv is not useful or productive.
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Dougie,
I know where you're coming from but surely there is nothing wrong with posting a few graphic examples of bad riding? If it helps to slow a few of us down a bit then it's useful. I find these films as shocking as anyone...
If you don't want to look then don't - but I'd rather see them and adjust my riding style accordingly. As I have already stated they are NOT entertainment it's never nice to see fellow bikers getting hurt...
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okay, withouth having a look at the vid's can you explain to me what was the error made by the biker in each case. So that I can learn from it without having to look at the gore. You can leave out the dude without the helmet and any other dudes who are high. Just straight forward errors will do. If you don't mind. I am interested in knowing what they did.
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usual errors. failed to look far enough up the road, failed to anticipate. end of story.
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Surely it's up to the individual to have a look at these and then judge for themselves how they can avoid the same pitfall(s)? I personally see no harm in showing it the way it is... If someone slows down as a consequence then it's worth showing it.
THE big killer in all these films is EXCESSIVE SPEED and lack of awareness and failure to compensate for the prevailing road conditions. If we all slow down a bit, we shall all stand a better chance of surviving an R.T.C like this it really is that simple...
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"THE big killer in all these films is EXCESSIVE SPEED"
that's nonsense, and irresponsible (in my opinion) if you are trying to educate new riders. You can ride very fast and be safe. You can ride very slow and be dangerous. Video number one is not riding fast (it's the only one I watched). Some riders (UK) ride slow in the gutter, and die as a result. Don't mislead new riders that speed is the over-riding cause of death to bikers. It's a very authoritarian and police-like stance, and likely to be ignored.
Speed is for the most part irrelevant on its own, it's usually a failure to ride to the conditions that causes crashes. And a failure to read the road and the hazards.
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It's a very authoritarian and police-like stance, and likely to be ignored.
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Think I read on one of his other posts he's a retired rozzer. Explains a lot.
Probably best not to mention the time I did 175mph on the public road when I had my fireblade 
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If we all slow down a bit, we shall all stand a better chance of surviving an R.T.C like this it really is that simple...
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And if we all stay at home then nobody gets hurt at all....
To be honest I've got better things to do with my time than surf the net looking for videos of people killing or injuring themselves. I can't see why you feel the need to post these links on this forum - are you new to the internet and just discovering the crap that's out there??
These sort of videos do little to promote road safety - unfortunately some people find this sort of thing entertaining and enjoy the sensationalism of them. We're all adults and know the consequences of coming off a bike (often from experience).
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Originally Posted by ta-all-the-way
okay, withouth having a look at the vid's can you explain to me what was the error made by the biker in each case. So that I can learn from it without having to look at the gore. You can leave out the dude without the helmet and any other dudes who are high. Just straight forward errors will do. If you don't mind. I am interested in knowing what they did.
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Video 1 is of a 'ped rider drifting out of a junction and across the opposite side of the road before coming back across in front of a car heading in the same direction.
2 is of a car wrongly positioned at a cross roads and the biker failing to anticipate. Possible excess speed for the traffic conditions.
3 is too dark to comment
4 is failing to anticipate the truck not clearing the junction before the rider got there. In which case, possible excess speed for the rider's ability/experience and also maybe for the traffic conditions.
5 is the same video as 2
Lack of observation/planning is the main factor in all of these videos, not the speed in itself. Video 1 certainly has nothing to do with speed, just general incompetence.
Still not as bad as Chief Inspector whatever-his-name-is Brunstrom. Didn't he use photos of a decapitated biker for a road safety campaign without consulting his family?
Thanks for the reality check Neil, even if here isn't really the place for it.
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Craig,
And to think the UK police forces (sorry service) is being managed by people of this calibre! He deserved everything he got which in the circumstances wasn't enough. It would have been fairer for all concerned if he had been instantly dismissed from the job too (not the court). But then again most coppers are human too... some of the time at least!
The point of posting this thread was to encourage lively discussion & debate on the subject of speed and it's relationship to road traffic collisions in general (and to inflate my website visitor figures). I concede that Speed isn't always the cause of accidents but there can be no doubt that a biker riding slower stands a much better chance of being able to react in time or in the case of collisions, stands a better chance of survival. Those clowns (above) traveling at 175 mph on a public road wouldn't have a chance in hell of surviving any kind of impact! I worry about the other road users that idiots like this take with them... and I've seen it many times.
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we NEED the danger
Endagering OTHER people is out of order
Endangering YOURSELF is what we do for shits and giggles
The bottom line is that tanning hell out of a bike is fantastic fun, and they are seriously quick these days so staying under 70 just isn't always a realistic ask. If you can't SEE the road you need/be very positive that it's emtpy, you are probably going too quick for the conditions. If you know its clear and you want to push the boat out and find that line between having traction and being in traction then that is your own personal choice and no-one should challenge that. Last time I was in hospital someone had a go at me for being responsible for my own injuries (climbing accident), they were having a foot amputated for being a fat lazy git!!
I for one will be getting a track bike as soon as possible, and I plan on crashing it repeatedly. On a track.
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Surely there is enough danger merely by riding on badly worn & conjested UK roads at the national speed limit? I passed my M/C test in 1980 aged 17. The road conditions now are far far worse than those days. As you say, the best place to race (and crash) safely is at the race track NOT a public road. Most people exceed the speed limit every day by 10-30% but thankfully only a limited few would choose to exceed it by 100 mph +!
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