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What legal options do I have ? Sell it? Report it stolen? Leave it at the border? And if I return to ARG by plane (without bike) though the TVIP expired, will this be a problem?
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We found ourselves in your situation just a year ago and ended up following the practical advice given to us by other travellers. Our two DR where picked up by two overlanders who happily rode them out of Argentina and throughout South America without any problem whatsoever. Thus confirming the veracity of similar experiences shared by other overlanders.
It is my opinion that Xfiltrate makes a business out of scaring travellers by brandishing the ominous spectre of laws nobody else seem to know or be concerned with.
We are glad to not have paid any attention to his scaremongering.
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19 Jan 2016
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R3dFox, keep me posted.
wolfandzebra, I will not dignify your comments
unless you cite an example of anything I have stated here or in any other HUBB post that is not clearly stated in Argentine/Mercosur law.
I will be more than pleased to provide documentation.
W&Z What do you mean your bikes were "picked up" by others, maybe a little more detail would be helpful to R3dFox. If you sold them to other foreigners after entering them into Argentina on TVIPs, that would have been illegal by Argentine TVIP regulations.
Scary or not, it is the law. If abiding by the law is scary, imagine how scary it is to be riding a bike in South America without proper title and thus not having valid insurance.
Out of respect to the moderators, I will not be continuing posting on this thread unless asked to provide specific law documenting what I have previously stated. Scary or not!
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19 Jan 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfandzebra
We found ourselves in your situation just a year ago and ended up following the practical advice given to us by other travellers. Our two DR where picked up by two overlanders who happily rode them out of Argentina and throughout South America without any problem whatsoever. Thus confirming the veracity of similar experiences shared by other overlanders.
It is my opinion that Xfiltrate makes a business out of scaring travellers by brandishing the ominous spectre of laws nobody else seem to know or be concerned with.
We are glad to not have paid any attention to his scaremongering.
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The problem is that some people get away with something and then claim because nothing happened to them, anyone can do the same thing quite legally. All that needs to happen for that twisted logic to be fully debunked is for just one person to get into trouble following that advice. I have proof that if certain advice regarding PODERS is followed, the result may be confiscation of the vehicle. I don't have to prove that everyone doing this gets into trouble, just need to show that one person did.
XFiltrate is perhaps a tad overcautious and that is a trait that is just a result of someone applying basic duty of care when giving advice. Especially on an open forum like this where it is impossible to gauge just how sensible or savvy a poster is, it is normal for advice to be given so as to "do no harm". Your "advice" - which was really not advice at all, merely an outcome, is not "do no harm" If you follow his advice, you will not get into problems. If you choose to ignore his advice, you may run into problems or may not depending on how you go about it.
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