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I sold my Chilean motorcycle in Bogota last year. The transfer of ownership went without any trouble.
The basis for the document the Notario 19, Bogota prepared was:
And this is a anonymized copy of the document. Maybe I can help other travelers by sharing the document.



So much for the transfer of ownership.

To my understanding the new owner had no trouble leaving Columbia with this very document.
However, he was not able to cross the border from Ecuador to Peru and sadly had to leave the motorcycle behind in Ecuador. A problem we did not expect!
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actually if the documentation is a day you would not have trouble transferring, provided you have a contact in Chile to send purchase agreement, then return the document legalized in Chile and about 30 days would have the ownership document, south america to travel without problem,
but the serious problem pienzo to return to Chile in the vehicle with you not come out
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As I understand, the simplest way is a 'power of atourney' document, saying I can do what I like with the motorbike (drive, cross borders, sell). This will allow me to cross borders. I guess changing the original registered owner in Chile is more work.

@ridetheworld

"1; buyer cannot legally sell in Colombia as named driver who entered sight the TVIP must be the one that leaves (ways around that of course)."

-> I could leave Colombia with the owner at the border with Venezuela, and come straight back, and this time do the TVIP in my name, should work?

"Bike is not supposed to be outside of Chile for more than time designated by Chilean Aduana (6 months for Argentina, LESS for Bol/Peru - Aduana told me only 3 months)."

-> If I never take the bike to Chile it could be ok? Yes, Argentina might be risky though..

@Wauschi

"he was not able to cross the border from Ecuador to Peru and sadly had to leave the motorcycle behind in Ecuador."

-> It's sounds like a real problem. Do you have any more information about this? I also sent a message to Splendid.

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I sold my Chilean motorcycle in Bogota last year. The transfer of ownership went without any trouble.
The basis for the document the Notario 19, Bogota prepared was:


And this is a anonymized copy of the document. Maybe I can help other travelers by sharing the document.



So much for the transfer of ownership.

To my understanding the new owner had no trouble leaving Columbia with this very document.
However, he was not able to cross the border from Ecuador to Peru and sadly had to leave the motorcycle behind in Ecuador. A problem we did not expect!
(see also: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-another-83071)
Under law, it could be that you didn't legally sell the bike at all.

Last year that may have been possible and a far as it went, is still possible or may still be possible, but as the new owner found out, wasn't very effective in the long term. Guess you gave him his money back? Of course the problem extends much further than just losing your bike and him losing his money, because if the bike is still in Equador, once the TIP runs out, fines of about US$300 a day start accruing.
Some countries accept a Poder, while some do not. Peru has been reported as not accepting poders from other countries
As far as Chile is concerned, the new or maybe the newly enforced, rules have only been out a short time so what worked last year/month/week/day/hour is never a guarantee that it will work right now.

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The transfer of ownership went without any trouble.
How was the ownership transferred to the satisfaction of the Chilean authorities? Or wasn't it? Usually a poder is used to allow a non-owner to drive a vehicle and the ownership of the vehicle doesn't change.

As often happens when these sort of questions come up, the original poster gets to choose between believing those who say it may not be possible, and by keeping on reading posts reads one that, perhaps wrongly, suggests that it is all quite simple because they did it that way and it worked.
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Selling the bike with a 'poder' I understand to be a kind of unofficial sale. Officially you are borrowing his bike (perpetually). But actually you paid him for it.

Hopefully it's good enough for my purposes (traveling around SA except Chile), but what you write about Peru is a show-stopper.

EDIT: Doing some research..
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https://www.aduana.cl/consejos-para-...21/163933.html

Page from the Chilean Goverment says to enter Peru with a vehicle..

Para ingresar al Perú le solicitarán que dicha autorización notarial esté debidamente legalizada con los timbres y estampillas del Consulado peruano en Chile.

= To enter Peru they will request that the notarization is duly authenticated with the stamp of the Peruvian Consulate in Chile.

Maybe the Peruvian embassy here in Colombia is good enough? :-/ Otherwise if someone has a scan of said stamp..
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http://www.mincetur.gob.pe/turismo/g...a/ingreso.html

Section 3.2.1.3

To take a vehicle into the country, the presence of it's owner is mandatory.
This information could be abridged though.
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http://www.sunat.gob.pe/legislacion/...inta-pg.16.htm

This seems to be the procedure the Peruvian border guards should follow. No mention about 'poder's that I can see, just that you should be the owner. This doesn't seem to have changed since 2000 though.
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More useful than any of this, has anyone tried it recently?

EDIT: This is quite specific so I'll make a new thread.

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