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Old 17 Nov 2015
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Buying a Chilean registered bike in Colombia

I would like to buy a Chile-registered bike from another traveller (bike is in his name) who is here (with the bike) in Colombia. Any idea how to handle the paperwork, without flying to Chile?

Can he sign off the registration document (i.e. cancel his ownership and responsibility to the bike), like in the USA, and then I register it in my name if I am in Chile?

Or do we do a notarised letter saying I am the new owner? Can I cross the borders easily with this? ( Something like this: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-america-72604 )

Any problems crossing borders if the Chilean documents (tax, technical check) are out-of-date?

Thanks for the help guys..
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Recent reports say that transfer of rego of Chilean vehicle outside of Chile is not possible.
However saw recent report that one particular lawyer can arrange it but ???
Other reports that even t
he legal owner cannot take the vehicle out of Chile for more than six months at a time
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Hi David , if you wanted comprae a motorcycle registered in Chile would not be much problem as envirar Might contract for sale to Chile signed by you and the person selling and need to resend back and legalized.
but the real problem is that you did not go out on the bike and you could not join.
the second thing to transfer the motorcycle is needed proper documentation
no good if they are out of date for legal transfer.
and finally you need the number of RUT to buy it.
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Buying a Chilean registered bike in Colombia

This goes round and round with no one coming back to report what happened, but in short it seems that;

1; buyer cannot legally sell in Colombia as named driver who entered sight the TVIP must be the one that leaves (ways around that of course).
2; Bike is not supposed to be outside of Chile for more than time designated by Chilean Aduana (6 months for Argentina, LESS for Bol/Peru - Aduana told me only 3 months). You could be liable to have bike confiscated or be fined - but no one seems to know for sure and I couldn't get straight answer out of them when I last checked.
3; As far as I know both buyer and seller need to be present to register new owner in Chile, both need to have the magic RUT number which is well documented on how to get one elsewhere.

My own thoughts are that with a POA you might be okay for countries accept Chile/Argentina. Who knows what the Chileans would do and the Argentineans, who are very familiar with the paperwork for Chilean vehicles, might give you some issues too. That's pure speculation though. I want to sell my Tornado 250 outside of Chile too, so would be interested in your experiences. Note also, all vehicles in Chile have annual paperwork to be done, how long has the bike been outside of Chile?
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I sold my Chilean motorcycle in Bogota last year. The transfer of ownership went without any trouble.
The basis for the document the Notario 19, Bogota prepared was:
And this is a anonymized copy of the document. Maybe I can help other travelers by sharing the document.



So much for the transfer of ownership.

To my understanding the new owner had no trouble leaving Columbia with this very document.
However, he was not able to cross the border from Ecuador to Peru and sadly had to leave the motorcycle behind in Ecuador. A problem we did not expect!
(see also: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-another-83071)
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actually if the documentation is a day you would not have trouble transferring, provided you have a contact in Chile to send purchase agreement, then return the document legalized in Chile and about 30 days would have the ownership document, south america to travel without problem,
but the serious problem pienzo to return to Chile in the vehicle with you not come out
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As I understand, the simplest way is a 'power of atourney' document, saying I can do what I like with the motorbike (drive, cross borders, sell). This will allow me to cross borders. I guess changing the original registered owner in Chile is more work.

@ridetheworld

"1; buyer cannot legally sell in Colombia as named driver who entered sight the TVIP must be the one that leaves (ways around that of course)."

-> I could leave Colombia with the owner at the border with Venezuela, and come straight back, and this time do the TVIP in my name, should work?

"Bike is not supposed to be outside of Chile for more than time designated by Chilean Aduana (6 months for Argentina, LESS for Bol/Peru - Aduana told me only 3 months)."

-> If I never take the bike to Chile it could be ok? Yes, Argentina might be risky though..

@Wauschi

"he was not able to cross the border from Ecuador to Peru and sadly had to leave the motorcycle behind in Ecuador."

-> It's sounds like a real problem. Do you have any more information about this? I also sent a message to Splendid.

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I sold my Chilean motorcycle in Bogota last year. The transfer of ownership went without any trouble.
The basis for the document the Notario 19, Bogota prepared was:


And this is a anonymized copy of the document. Maybe I can help other travelers by sharing the document.



So much for the transfer of ownership.

To my understanding the new owner had no trouble leaving Columbia with this very document.
However, he was not able to cross the border from Ecuador to Peru and sadly had to leave the motorcycle behind in Ecuador. A problem we did not expect!
(see also: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-another-83071)
Under law, it could be that you didn't legally sell the bike at all.

Last year that may have been possible and a far as it went, is still possible or may still be possible, but as the new owner found out, wasn't very effective in the long term. Guess you gave him his money back? Of course the problem extends much further than just losing your bike and him losing his money, because if the bike is still in Equador, once the TIP runs out, fines of about US$300 a day start accruing.
Some countries accept a Poder, while some do not. Peru has been reported as not accepting poders from other countries
As far as Chile is concerned, the new or maybe the newly enforced, rules have only been out a short time so what worked last year/month/week/day/hour is never a guarantee that it will work right now.

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The transfer of ownership went without any trouble.
How was the ownership transferred to the satisfaction of the Chilean authorities? Or wasn't it? Usually a poder is used to allow a non-owner to drive a vehicle and the ownership of the vehicle doesn't change.

As often happens when these sort of questions come up, the original poster gets to choose between believing those who say it may not be possible, and by keeping on reading posts reads one that, perhaps wrongly, suggests that it is all quite simple because they did it that way and it worked.
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Selling the bike with a 'poder' I understand to be a kind of unofficial sale. Officially you are borrowing his bike (perpetually). But actually you paid him for it.

Hopefully it's good enough for my purposes (traveling around SA except Chile), but what you write about Peru is a show-stopper.

EDIT: Doing some research..
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https://www.aduana.cl/consejos-para-...21/163933.html

Page from the Chilean Goverment says to enter Peru with a vehicle..

Para ingresar al Perú le solicitarán que dicha autorización notarial esté debidamente legalizada con los timbres y estampillas del Consulado peruano en Chile.

= To enter Peru they will request that the notarization is duly authenticated with the stamp of the Peruvian Consulate in Chile.

Maybe the Peruvian embassy here in Colombia is good enough? :-/ Otherwise if someone has a scan of said stamp..
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http://www.mincetur.gob.pe/turismo/g...a/ingreso.html

Section 3.2.1.3

To take a vehicle into the country, the presence of it's owner is mandatory.
This information could be abridged though.
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http://www.sunat.gob.pe/legislacion/...inta-pg.16.htm

This seems to be the procedure the Peruvian border guards should follow. No mention about 'poder's that I can see, just that you should be the owner. This doesn't seem to have changed since 2000 though.
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More useful than any of this, has anyone tried it recently?

EDIT: This is quite specific so I'll make a new thread.

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