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Old 21 May 2017
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Thanks Moto. That's a lot of help. I will be on the transib in two weeks..

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Thanks very much for the info Moto.

I do have a GPS - it's a TomTom 7 something and has the complete maps for N & E Europe and Russia.

I've driven\ridden in large cities in the Uk and also driven in SE Asia - so hopefully shouldn't be too daunted by Moscow standards. LOL

The plan is to stay within the 3rd ring ring in Moscow, probably within or near the 2nd ring - maybe around/in the Tverskoy district, which I think is close enough to the centre\main attractions even on foot but certainly by metro.

Although, I'll have a look at Kitai Gorod.

The longest run between cities will be between St Petersburg & Moscow - Google maps shows the E105 between the 2. So will need to work out whether to take that to find something else.

That's a 450 run - initial thoughts are to stop in Tver overnight, then continue to Moscow the following day. Or probably stop at somewhere like Valday which is more halfway.

Lane-splitting - LOL, I do that all the time in the Uk at traffic lights, so hopefully that habit will serve me well in Russia.

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I've driven\ridden in large cities in the Uk and also driven in SE Asia - so hopefully shouldn't be too daunted by Moscow standards. LOL
Nah, I'm sure you'll be fine if you've driven in those places.

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The plan is to stay within the 3rd ring ring in Moscow, probably within or near the 2nd ring - maybe around/in the Tverskoy district, which I think is close enough to the centre\main attractions even on foot but certainly by metro.

Although, I'll have a look at Kitai Gorod.
Tverskoi is just another part of the big, dirty city; it is (barely) within walking distance of the center, but not nearly as close, or as nice, as Kitai Gorod, which as I mentioned is old Moscow and very cool. I think there are lots of small inexpensive hotels there as well, although I can't say I've stayed in any of them (I have an apartment in Moscow).

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The longest run between cities will be between St Petersburg & Moscow - Google maps shows the E105 between the 2. So will need to work out whether to take that to find something else.

That's a 450 run - initial thoughts are to stop in Tver overnight, then continue to Moscow the following day. Or probably stop at somewhere like Valday which is more halfway.
You can easily drive from St Pete to Moscow in one day on the main highway, but it will suck for the reasons described above. I would use your GPS to chart some routes along smaller roads to Tver, Valday, or wherever, spend the night there, then into Moscow the next day. I would try to avoid entering Moscow at rush hour.

Anyway, sounds like you've got this travel stuff figured out, just wanted to make sure you don't psyche yourself out for traveling in Russia.
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Tverskoi is just another part of the big, dirty city; it is (barely) within walking distance of the center, but not nearly as close, or as nice, as Kitai Gorod, which as I mentioned is old Moscow and very cool. I think there are lots of small inexpensive hotels there as well, although I can't say I've stayed in any of them (I have an apartment in Moscow).
I just checked on Google maps Teverskoi District and LOL it goes out a fair way. I was initially looking at places somewhere no further than Tsvetnoy Boulevard and preferably closer to say Kuznetsky Most.

I'm a bit of an urban explorer - so walking around isn't really an issue as long as it isn't thru boring drab places. When I was in Helsinki in 2015, I was staying in Ruoholahti and was happy walking the 20-30 mins into the centre and taking different routes every day\time.

But point taken - closer I am to the centre the better.


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You can easily drive from St Pete to Moscow in one day on the main highway, but it will suck for the reasons described above. I would use your GPS to chart some routes along smaller roads to Tver, Valday, or wherever, spend the night there, then into Moscow the next day. I would try to avoid entering Moscow at rush hour.
I'll have a look on Google maps for less hectic routes between St Pete's and Moscow.

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Anyway, sounds like you've got this travel stuff figured out, just wanted to make sure you don't psyche yourself out for traveling in Russia.
There's always that mix of apprehension of the unknown and excitement, etc. but I think it will be like the 1st time I rode out on my Street Triple on my own, after a short period of time - it was like "normal". LOL

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Kuznetski Most is also very central, and very nice, although I'm not sure how many hotels are there...there's the Savoy, the Peter the Great (or something like that), probably others that I don't know.

Anyway, sounds like you've got the right attitude and experience, I'm sure you'll have a good trip. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
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I've kind of less loosely worked out the outward run.

The image below should hopefully show a fairly good representation of the outward run.



Calais* - Antwerp - Arnhem - Bremen\Hamburg - Szczecin (or Swinoujscie) - Gdanansk* - Kaliningrad* - Kaunas* - Riga* - Tartu* - Narva - St Petersburg* - Valday - Moscow*.

The one's with * are more fixed in my mind, the other's have some flexibility and generally open to route advice.

The return run is almost a vague notion. LOL

I have 2 notional plans for the return leg -

1. Moscow to Latvia, i.e. going around Belarus over the north.



The 2nd is - I only looked it up today and looks maybe, well different if nothing else - is go south from Moscow to Kiev, i.e. go round Belarus the southern way.



With option 1 - I'd skirt a route back fairly close to the route out. Whereas with option 2 - a whole new country (Ukraine) and the possibility of other, like the Czech Republic. I'd have approx 10 days to leave Moscow and hit Calais.

Any thoughts\advice greatly appreciated.
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Personally I would definitely take the second route back, the first one is practically a repeat of the way out.

On the trip out, it is a shame to miss Tallin, it is a pretty cool city.
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1. Moscow to Latvia, i.e. going around Belarus over the north.
I don't know if they've fixed it already, but a couple of years ago the Latvian section of the Moscow-Riga highway was, well, non-existent. On the Russian side it's actually a decent road, across the border it's terrible broken asphalt and two lanes through villages.

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The 2nd is - I only looked it up today and looks maybe, well different if nothing else - is go south from Moscow to Kiev, i.e. go round Belarus the southern way.
That's probably a better option. You get to see Kiev and Lviv, the better Polish cities in the south, Prague, etc. Plus if you schedule it in advance, you can do a tour of Chernobyl.
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