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Dear Mika,
I had struck off China on my 2017 rtw starting from india. But reading your travel has inspired me to put it back on the route. Maybe contacting Rustam would be a good idea or people like him. Thanx a lot and happy riding!
Aditya from india
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Hello Aditya, I will send you Rustams email address as a personal message. Maybe he can help you, or point you into the right direction, but as you could read in my short report, he lives in Heihe, in the NE of China. Good luck with your trip and please keep us up to date here on the HUBB. Greetings from Bolivia mika
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I'm one of those people you so wittingly describe as being a 'good sheep'... I don't dispute that it's possible to ride through China without a guide, but it all depends on where you go in China. You already wrote that you needed a guide to get up the Torugat pass to Kyrgyzstan. Going from that pass south towards Pakistan, you'll need a guide too. I've just done it. Going towards the Pakistan border we still needed a military escort... it's not all as simple as you described.
Apart from that we had non of the sheep following as you described, non at all.
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Hello LittleMike,
thank you for your reply. You are right in one thing, it depends where you go in China, if you need a guide ... but it also depends whom you meet and how you approch this person or area. E.g. I crossed some restricted areas and had no problems. And I know, that could have done Torugat pass without a guide, it would have just taken longer to do it. But I just wanted to get out of China at that point, so I took the easy option with the guide.
Reading your last sentence a quote from one of my countryman, the poet Goethe comes to my mind. *The best slaves are the ones that believe to be free.* I would say: *The best sheep are the ones who believe to choose their own path.*
All the best to you and your journey
Mika from Bolivia
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Originally Posted by mika
Hello Aditya, I will send you Rustams email address as a personal message. Maybe he can help you, or point you into the right direction, but as you could read in my short report, he lives in Heihe, in the NE of China. Good luck with your trip and please keep us up to date here on the HUBB. Greetings from Bolivia mika
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Very interesting.
I am from England, and married to a wonderful Chinese girl in China..
Heilongjiang is her home province, from Harbin
Lucky we both have full legal Chinese driving licences.
I would also like to contact Rustram if you would be so kind.
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Hi Doogle
Hi Doogle, yes its me. Still riding every day.  Hope you did not do South Africa on a push bike 
China. Read this fantastic ride report for the China part they did.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...r-a-wave-82280
Forget about tour operators for China, if you want to do it without a guide. I had only the help of a tour operator in Kashgar because I had problems to leave China with the bike and he would do phone calls for me and help me with translations and in the end I hired a car and a guide from him to do the Torugat pass. But as TBR China said, a tour operator wont do anything that is not 100 percent according to what he is permited to do ... as most people in China, they are also scared of the police state.
enjoy China, it is a fantastic place to travel and explore on your own.
all the best and hope to meet you again soon
mika from Bolivia
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Hi Doogle, yes its me. Still riding every day. Hope you did not do South Africa on a push bike
China. Read this fantastic ride report for the China part they did.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...r-a-wave-82280
all the best and hope to meet you again soon
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No pedaling this time.
I would prefer to buy a bike in China and ride about 3 weeks-then sell. I don't know about riding a 48cc bike for 3 weeks though. And they rode 2 up?
So Bolivia is home now? And you now have a DR350?
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Hi Doogle, yes Bolivia is home now ... the small mountain village of Samaipata. Yuhmak (the DR350) is here, but I was ripped off badly shipping to Valparaiso. All the best for your China adventure. mika
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