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Wanted: RN110 Hilux, Netherlands

Hi

I'm new to the Netherlands and thought I might get some tips here...

I'm looking for a Toyota Hilux RN110L

That's a Left-hand drive 4WD, 1991-97 Xtra cab with the 22-RE 2.4L EFI petrol engine. I do not want a diesel.

I'm looking for one registered in the Netherlands as I expect it will be ruinously expensive to register one here from, say, Germany.

Cars here are ridiculously expensive compared to my native UK!!

I'm looking for one in good condition. I own a mint LN105R and am quite specific about the model I want.

So far I've looked at AutoScout24 – Uw tweedehands auto of occasion kopen en gratis verkopen and Used Cars, New cars, Used vehicles, Cars for sale, Car finder - OOYYO and just see diesels...

Does anyone know where else I might look?

I know this is a rare car, especially in good condition (though they tend to be far better looked-after than in the UK), but I am prepared to wait for a good one. It would be nice to have one by early 2016.

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Hi,
it shouldn't be a problem to buy one outside of the NL, as you mentioned for example in Germany. It should be straight forward to get it registered there.
I just know that it is no problem the other way, buy in NL and register in Germany. At your search in autoscout24 you can include the countries such as Germany or Belgium in your list.

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On mobile.de you can choose from 3 or 4

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Thanks guys, but NL import taxes are unbelievably high, especially for older, more polluting vehicles I'll have to look at keeping it registered in Germany.

The one in Poland is the only RN110 and it's a bit tired looking. Last year i did a complete restoration on my diesel Hilux... I don't wish to repeat it!

Also been looking at the slightly more modern and powerful RZN173...
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Between EU countries no import tax, i don't know where you got this info but it is flauwekul (nonsens).

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Between EU countries no import tax, i don't know where you got this info but it is flauwekul (nonsens).

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Perhaps it's not import tax, but there is some kind of tax payment (BPM?) which would be very high (why are used cars in the Netherlands are much more expensive than in Germany, almost double the price that they are in the UK??)

Private motor vehicle and motorcycle tax (bpm)

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Before the BPM was calculated over catalogue price with different tarifs for B or D engins. It is a registration tax. The amount of BPM to be paid for a used car is totally different from new. You were looking for Toyota B between 1991 and 1997, the bpm to be paid will be 0% or 10% depending on age of the vehicle that you would like to register.

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Before the BPM was calculated over catalogue price with different tarifs for B or D engins. It is a registration tax. The amount of BPM to be paid for a used car is totally different from new. You were looking for Toyota B between 1991 and 1997, the bpm to be paid will be 0% or 10% depending on age of the vehicle that you would like to register.

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Thanks for the information, but that doesn't seem to agree with what is written here:

Calculate the bpm for a passenger car

This is nothing about purchase price, it's purely a tax on how polluting the vehicle is. To be honest, this English version of the site is pretty confusing, but I remember working the BPM out for a diesel Hilux, when it became over EUR 20,000 I closed the site and gave up on the idea.

Now let's say the CO2 emissions are 224g per km (this is for the 2.4 petrol Hiace, with the same engine as the RZN173 Hilux), that's at least EUR 12,539 in taxes, probably 200% of the purchase price. And then there will is the 'turnover tax'.... shocking.

The site is confusing though, all the rules seem to be for delivery vans (they keep on about delivery vans for some reason) registered after 2005. But then it says cars over 25 years old pay no bpm (I heard this has recently changed), so that leaves a 15 year grey area...

No wonder everyone cycles here

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But as a result..................we have the cleanest carpark in the EU, also not so bad.

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There are several websites where you can calculate the BPM on forhand. Best to use is Autotelex, becaus if you a small fee in the end, it will print all the document you need to do the proces of importing.

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But as a result..................we have the cleanest carpark in the EU, also not so bad.

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There are several websites where you can calculate the BPM on forhand. Best to use is Autotelex, becaus if you a small fee in the end, it will print all the document you need to do the proces of importing.

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Thanks, but it won't process either model as they are not listed, and there is no CO2 emission data for vehicles of that age.

There are things in the Netherlands that compare favourably to the UK, but anything to do with cars or taxes are not one of them!
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Emission is no issue with cars from these years!! What you mean by not listed, I just tried and its working perfect all Hilux types are there.

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Between EU countries no import tax, i don't know where you got this info but it is flauwekul (nonsens).

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Are you having a laugh??

Try importing a vehicle into Ireland from anywhere in the EU for example. Or Spain.

Of course they aren't import taxes, they are 'eco taxes'. Just for you information, in Ireland it s called VRT and is charged on an imaginary 'list price' for the vehicle created by revenue, not even by what the vehicle actually cost.

AFAIK Netherlands is actually a higher tax economy (if such a thing is possible).

Sorry for the hijack.

Would it not be easier to put UK plates on it and avoid all the hassle, thereby leaving your search Europe wide?
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The question is how to buy and/or register a car in the Netherlands, I am answering to the question. Sorry but I see no added value in your comment.

As you see in My example for a Hilux of 1993, no taxes has to be payed.

Let me give you a hint:

Check the facts first before you ventilate your opinion!!

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Emission is no issue with cars from these years!! What you mean by not listed, I just tried and its working perfect all Hilux types are there.

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OK, I did look up that model (even though it is the 1.8, the 2.4 is not listed), and reached the same 0. But below it says (translated from Dutch):

This indication is based on the above information, including CO2 emissions and therefore not exact. This indication no rights can be derived. For an accurate calculation of the BPM are required additional data, this can be selected in the subsequent steps.

To me this means that because they have no emissions data, the BPM cannot be calculated?

Surely there is a reason used cars are so expensive here?

For example, a colleague of mine recently bought a 12 year old BMW 316i, 160,000km for EUR 2500 (!). In the UK this car would be £800 ish, and in Germany I doubt it would be more than EUR 1500.

I don't want to start an argument, but I don't believe it will be cheap to import and register a car here, and pay the necessary taxes, whatever they want to call them.

Registering a car abroad is fine, but as I am a NL resident it would be illegal for me to drive it here

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Believe whatever you want to believe. I have been in EU car business all my working life. I im- and exproted over a 10.000 cars in and from The Netherlands and was involved in developping and implementing the current EU laws connected to car trading between EU countries.

And Autotelex uses a disclaimer, not they but the tax authorities decide so the disclaimer is logic.

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