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Why anyone would buy one of these when they could have a Honda CB500X with the Rally Raid 3 kit for less money is beyond me.
Maybe they actually like the GP450; maybe after taking a test ride even?
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Maybe they actually like the GP450; maybe after taking a test ride even?
Possible, I suppose. Vide supra.
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Possible, I suppose. Vide supra.
CCM will still be at the stage of being able to sell every GP450 that they make; it could be a case of "manufacturing bikes to order", manufacturing them at a rate to match the orders.

Meanwhile, their marketing is low key - all to the good; they can concentrate on building bikes and not spending the budget on marketing hype.
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Low key ads on ebay UK and test rides at biking events will keep the UK orders coming in for the time being and they have their overseas market also.
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CCM will still be at the stage of being able to sell every GP450 that they make; it could be a case of "manufacturing bikes to order", manufacturing them at a rate to match the orders.

Meanwhile, their marketing is low key - all to the good; they can concentrate on building bikes and not spending the budget on marketing hype.
CCM GP450 Adventure Motorcycle | eBay

Low key ads on ebay UK and test rides at biking events will keep the UK orders coming in for the time being and they have their overseas market also.
$12,000 for a single and not one blessed with reputation for reliability, either.

I could buy a CB500X + the Rally Raid 3 kit and do a six month trip for that money

Insane.
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$12,000 for a single and not one blessed with reputation for reliability, either.

I could buy a CB500X + the Rally Raid 3 kit and do a six month trip for that money

Insane.
Current exchange rates mean that you won't be seeing many GP450s in the USA for the foreseeable future.
But, they will sell elsewhere.

As for the Honda, it's not really in the same game - here in the UK it is a learner's bike aimed at those who buy their first bike to obtain a licence, learn to ride and move on to another machine - all Honda marketing for the 500x is aimed in that way.
It's an esotheric interest to "change it's clothes".
Naturally, it has the budget suspension of most cheap bikes.
As per an earlier posting here, only a minority would want to buy a cheap brand new bike, dismantle major components, throw them away and buy more bits and pieces to turn that bike into a heavy weight "trail" bike.
Granted, some folks will do this with second hand 500x once the initial depreciation of the cheap bike has reduced it's value even more.

But, anyway, there's room for eveyone and we are all waiting for Yamaha to produce some more competition soon, probably fitted with budget suspension.
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Current exchange rates mean that you won't be seeing many GP450s in the USA for the foreseeable future.
But, they will sell elsewhere.
From reading elsewhere, they have been seen at motorbike shows in Canada and homogolation for north America is planned; sometime - don't hold your breath as that process seems to be as much about politics, trade restrictions and import tariffs as any other aspect.

For anyone who hasn't actually seen one of these in the metal; the pictures can't convey the design and production standards of the bespoke manufacturing process. Hopefully, the latter will continue.
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At least part of the reason CCM may be late bringing the GP450 to USA is that homologation (even for small manufacturer) is around $100,000 USD per model. (The Japanese, BMW, KTM pay even more)

Not a fortune but even some Japanese OEM's balk at this fee. It's also a long, absurdly complex process that requires expert lawyers to navigate the loads of regulation, restrictions and requirements put up as road blocks by US Govt EPA, DOT.

The Japanese employ WHOLE departments to deal with Homologation of new models, which they use all the time. The Japanese and Euro OEM's have greased the skids and can get it done. They are good at it ... but took decades to get where they are now.

But for a small manufacture without DEEP pockets (and connections in high places) it's a daunting process.

This info from USA distributor I spoke with from Husaberg/KTM when they were thinking about bringing in street legal dual sport Husaberg bikes into USA in around 2005, they decided NOT to go through the process and only brought Husabergs in as dirt bikes (race bikes) which is far easier to do.

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