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With those mods the CB500x ends up somewhat like the BMW 700GS, similar suspension travel and similar 19/17" wheel diameter. Personally I'd rather have the GP450's 21" front wheel and longer travel suspension.

Also not keen on DIY jobs to massively change a bike's characteristics, it raises eyebrows with insurance companies and you never get the secondhand resale value of all the extras from a standard bike.
Compared to the BMW F700GS, the Honda will have far better fuel economy, better reliability and is cheaper even with the conversion kit; insurance here (N America) is not an issue and resale is higher due to the conversion.

Total no-brainer in my book, but you pays your money and you makes your choice.
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C insurance here (N America) is not an issue and resale is higher due to the conversion.
Again, with reference to earlier posts, one is homologated for sale straight out of the box whereas heavily modified bikes are "frowned upon" by European insurers; some insurers may decline your business.
Not that a GP450 would spend much of it's life wrapped in a box.

As for resale, it's pretty much dead money to buy a lot of after market stuff; often, the best that can be done is to dismantle what you previously assembled (more unpaid labour) and sell the bits to those who already own that type of bike, while refitting the original bits (that you carefully stored rather than throw them in the skip) and move the bike on for sale as a standard machine; in the case of the CB500x, as a standard learner bike.
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As for resale, it's pretty much dead money to buy a lot of after market stuff; often, the best that can be done is to dismantle what you previously assembled (more unpaid labour) and sell the bits to those who already own that type of bike, while refitting the original bits (that you carefully stored rather than throw them in the skip) and move the bike on for sale as a standard machine; in the case of the CB500x, as a standard learner bike.
That's a good approach for re-sale. But a seller of the kitted CB500X could most likely find someone to buy the kitted bike. Maybe not for great money, but it would sell. But if trading in, putting it back to standard is best, as you've stated.

The Honda may be a learner's bike ... but it's (apparently) a very good one ... this according to several reviews I've read. And of course Jenny Mo is over the Moon about her kitted bike. Have you read her reports? Pretty impressive. But vested interest and all ... still ... she makes some good points.

But as has been said, the CB500X vs. CCM are Apples and Oranges really.

I don't need a race bike for travel ... but lots of riders DO ... they want a high performance, light weight machine for mega off road adventures.
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And of course Jenny Mo is over the Moon about her kitted bike. Have you read her reports? Pretty impressive. But vested interest and all ... still ... she makes some good points.
Yes, I have read that thread.
Sponsorship means that I put little value on her comments but it does illustrate what a good rider can do with a heavy, average machine.

Apart from that, I could not discern an advantage over, say, a F650GS (which I used to ride a few years ago). The latter has the smoothest single cylinder engine that I have yet ridden, and it can still be purchased new in the form of the G650GS (as a Sertao for instance).

But all pretty much from the GP450 other than the similar BMW logos on the engine castings.
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Yes, I have read that thread.
Sponsorship means that I put little value on her comments but it does illustrate what a good rider can do with a heavy, average machine.

Apart from that, I could not discern an advantage over, say, a F650GS (which I used to ride a few years ago). The latter has the smoothest single cylinder engine that I have yet ridden, and it can still be purchased new in the form of the G650GS (as a Sertao for instance).

But all pretty much from the GP450 other than the similar BMW logos on the engine castings.
CB500X is:
- smoother
- more reliable
- more economical
- faster
- Japanese
- easier to work on
and that's just for starters..... and also applies to comparison with the CCM, which appears to get the same gas mileage as my V-strom 650 and weighs almost the same, which negates the point of its existence IMHO.
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CB500X is:
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and that's just for starters..... and also applies to comparison with the CCM, which appears to get the same gas mileage as my V-strom 650 and weighs almost the same, which negates the point of its existence IMHO.
A quick investigation on the world’s favourite search engine came up with the following claimed weights:

V strom 650: 220kg (wet)
Cb500x 178kg (dry)
Ccm gp450: 125.5kg (wet?, dry?, averagely damp?: don’t know, as I didn’t bother clicking on the link. Things to do, people to see, places to go etc.)
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V strom 650: 220kg (wet)
Cb500x 178kg (dry)
Ccm gp450: 125.5kg (wet?, dry?, averagely damp?: don’t know, as I didn’t bother clicking on the link. Things to do, people to see, places to go etc.)
I was starting to wonder which CCM GP450 is the subject of this thread.

On the basis that "a litre of water's a pint and 3/4 and a pound and a half of jam is slightly more than 1/2 Kg" then two GP450s weigh somewhat more than one V Strom.

Incidentally, CCMs own website claim 130 Kg for the weight factor - I guess they should know (but I still don't know if that is wet or dry even after a shower of rain in Bolton).
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A quick investigation on the world’s favourite search engine came up with the following claimed weights:

V strom 650: 220kg (wet)
Cb500x 178kg (dry)
Ccm gp450: 125.5kg (wet?, dry?, averagely damp?: don’t know, as I didn’t bother clicking on the link. Things to do, people to see, places to go etc.)
Guess the weight is a lot less than the other bikes. Why, then, the poor gas mileage from the CCM (about the same as my 650 V-strom)? And a lot less than the CB500X which has the same engine displacement and more weight?

Still not a compelling buy for me given the type of riding I do on long trips....
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