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still a quiet wide area.can u attempt to pin point it on google maps or?
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See below photo of my map ( if attachment works!) I think this is what Chris was talking about. We took this trail 2 years ago to avoid the large river that was totally impassable, even to trucks. We were there early in the season.

The road crosses few rivers and streams but nothing challenging. You can see pictures on my blog or trip report ( see link below).

It is a stunning area so well worth choosing this road.

The main river in on the main highway the A16. It can become impassable occasionally.
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See below photo of my map ( if attachment works!) I think this is what Chris was talking about. We took this trail 2 years ago to avoid the large river that was totally impassable, even to trucks. We were there early in the season.

The road crosses few rivers and streams but nothing challenging. You can see pictures on my blog or trip report ( see link below).

It is a stunning area so well worth choosing this road.

The main river in on the main highway the A16. It can become impassable occasionally.
ok thanks Maria .I ve got the same map! I did find it on OSM and on a GPStopo map I have.is the big crossing this one ? : https://goo.gl/maps/cPtCpT49ueJ2

from google earth seems to have a bridge now(?)

yes I will be there early ,like June so could be some water to deal with in it
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Hi Chris this is a very good point .is there a way to point it on a map? or your GPX file to follow?I ve been reading of this river crossing several times and could be very important to avoid
Just had a look for, and found, my 2012 Mongolia tracklogs. Send me a PM with your email address and I'll send them to you. Looking at Maria's paper map, I think my tracks matched her's.

Here's a link to a ride report I did covering that trip: Adventures between a Cliff and a Wet Place. Brighty in Central Asia and Mongolia | Adventure Rider
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ok thanks Maria .I ve got the same map! I did find it on OSM and on a GPStopo map I have.is the big crossing this one ? : https://goo.gl/maps/cPtCpT49ueJ2

from google earth seems to have a bridge now(?)

yes I will be there early ,like June so could be some water to deal with in it
No, the big river everyone talks about is not showing in google map. Try Yandex, plane views. It is better for that region. ( Russian App, like Google).

The river is about 20 or 30 miles east of Tsagaanur, where the road makes a big V, I think. I did not take that road, we went to Olgii for a rest.

The road we took, pencilled in my photo, was superb and well worth it. Some tricky sections of sand but you will get plenty of it if you go by the north. I would not fancy it on a heavy bike though.

Don't sweat too much about rivers. Just try to find tracks where the locals on bike go. Usually not where the cars go ( much deeper sometimes!).
You will be fine. Enjoy Mongolia.


This is section of my trip report that covers this region:

http://advrider.com/index.php?thread...1098228/page-4
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No, the big river everyone talks about is not showing in google map. Try Yandex, plane views. It is better for that region. ( Russian App, like Google).

The river is about 20 or 30 miles east of Tsagaanur, where the road makes a big V, I think. I did not take that road, we went to Olgii for a rest.

The road we took, pencilled in my photo, was superb and well worth it. Some tricky sections of sand but you will get plenty of it if you go by the north. I would not fancy it on a heavy bike though.

Don't sweat too much about rivers. Just try to find tracks where the locals on bike go. Usually not where the cars go ( much deeper sometimes!).
You will be fine. Enjoy Mongolia.


This is section of my trip report that covers this region:

The road to Mongolia... on two wee bikes! | Page 4 | Adventure Rider
yes I crosses countless rivers when I was there for a 2800kms ride.in 2014..
the sandy areas could be a problem,since I 'll be on a Africa Twin 1000cc this time,which will weight around 350kgs (?) ,me+gear included!.big difference from the lightweight

thanks ! still hope someone can pinpoint this crossing if possible
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I did the same route as Maria in 2015.

As she says, no watercrossing which is impossible. Sometimes a little bit deeper when there is rain, but doable.

Some tricks sections with sand, but doable.
I did it with a Transalp.

The bridge Forestwitz means ist after Ulangom on a new road....

personally I think that the route from Olgii - Khovd - Altai . Uliastay ( and from here the Centerroute ) is more scenic than the northern route.

I did both and definitely liked the mix of Southern and Centerroute better.
There is just one a little bit boring part between Khovd and Altai, but you see the stone gobi, it just gets boring after a while but then you turn north to Altai anyway.
And you have the higher mountains and mountain passes here.
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well, lets be more realistic..some of the rivers are impassable,depending on rain/snow and the spot etc. this is a pic of the only one I didnt manage to go across last time.I was going to Tsenker hotsprings(?) and stopped to camp on the side of this river at night because simply did not convince me..and did not want to risk going across, being solo/evening.this guy with the car was a local the morning after... his wife and probably grandma were still in there ,did not want to get out.not best day for them,I have to say. he managed to get there while I was scouting a shallow area to cross,but without luck ,so I backtracked. did not want to leave the bike or else there in the river
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I did the same route as Maria in 2015.

As she says, no watercrossing which is impossible. Sometimes a little bit deeper when there is rain, but doable.

Some tricks sections with sand, but doable.
I did it with a Transalp.

The bridge Forestwitz means ist after Ulangom on a new road....

personally I think that the route from Olgii - Khovd - Altai . Uliastay ( and from here the Centerroute ) is more scenic than the northern route.

I did both and definitely liked the mix of Southern and Centerroute better.
There is just one a little bit boring part between Khovd and Altai, but you see the stone gobi, it just gets boring after a while but then you turn north to Altai anyway.
And you have the higher mountains and mountain passes here.
so this is more or less ur favourite route I guess?
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Hi Forestwiz
Sent you my 2012 Mongolian tracklogs in .gdb format via email. When I tried to convert them to .gpx in Garmin Mapsource I got an error message.

I Googled "convert gdb to gpx" and there seem to be various other software available to do this. Unfortunately I don't have the time at the moment to download one and do it. I'm sure you're able to do this, if need be.
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Hi Forestwiz
Sent you my 2012 Mongolian tracklogs in .gdb format via email. When I tried to convert them to .gpx in Garmin Mapsource I got an error message.

I Googled "convert gdb to gpx" and there seem to be various other software available to do this. Unfortunately I don't have the time at the moment to download one and do it. I'm sure you're able to do this, if need be.
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Forestwitz:

Almost the route, I just went over Kharkorin

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Customs Deposit?
on a slightly different topic..how did u guys managed Custom's deposits? in Russia, Mongolia?

EDIT: the shipping company just let me know there is a 15.5% of the bike's value charged as deposit ,which will be
refunded to bank account after leaving Mongolia?! anyone has done that?
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Does anyone know the road from Bayankhongor to Tsetserleg?
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