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Thank you again to all of you for your time and input, ill try to to respond back, condense, and recap this wonderful information


First off I'll cross that bridge with heading to other regions outside of Europe (Russia, Steppes, Africa) when that time comes. I'm sure I'll come back to these threads but for now the plan is to stay within the European area.

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Tomkat If you're planning to leave your bike in Europe (say France, where your relatives live) you must re-register it within 12 months. Subject to continuous ownership requirements you may be exempt from tax and duty. However, since the end result is a French plated bike
A few things here, I definitely have no intention of importing my bike unless I have to, to be legal, when I am done with this trip, I'll be returning my bike to the USA or moving it to another location like Russia, Steppes, Africa until it or I fall apart, so my end result isn't that. France is just one of many locations that I can store my bike while I'm away at work, and I will only be there for a few months till I finish with that region of Europe and then base out of a different location that makes more logistical sense.
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You might like to consider buying one locally and saving the costs of shipping yours over
Sounds easy when said like that but I seem to be running into just as many complications of buying a bike in Europe as with shipping one. Without a permanent address, residency in any European country, and traveling just under a USA passport as a tourist registering a bike is seems to be fairly complicated. Please correct me if I'm wrong because it was an option that I had considered. (Also before people go down that road I do not want to buy through proxy or rental loophole company tactics, Its just not an option that I consider personally.)

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Tomkat I wouldn't recommend just bringing a US plated bike here and leaving it. If the police or tax authorities get involved or you have an accident it could get messy.
I would like to stay as compliant as I can be for that reason if I did get into an accident or something I'd like to have been as closely as I could to legally riding in Europe. that's the complicated matter I'm trying to figure out.

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sushi2831At the borders there is no time to check that, but once you have an accident, there are a lot of people involved who not only have the time, it's their job to check it.
One question I have been looking for is at the boarders is documentation ever needed for Motorcycle arrival? for North American counties my personal visa status, bike ownership, and insurance is standard fair. but most I felt just assumed that my bike was brought with me at the time as my entry stamp even though some have planes on them and others have automobile's/boats depending on type of entry. I think this might tie into
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That's a tricky question that I don't want to try to answer because of the risk of misleading you. Countries have limits on both the length of stay of a single continuous visit and the total accumulated length of stay in their country (or their 'visa area', such as the Schengen Area). I believe that the Schengen area countries impose a limit of 90 days within any 180 day period for stay in the area, regardless of the number of times you go in and out. So you are going to need to do your own due diligence in that respect, but it sounds like with your one month on, one month off work schedule you might be able to avoid falling foul of that limitation if you plan carefully. Be aware that the whole Schengen area immigration system is computerized and interconnected, and the border officials do pay attention to that "90 in 180" limit.
When mentioning 90 to 180 day limits are you referring to my passport/visa limitation or time that my motorcycle could physically be allowed in some countries/areas? You are correct with my work schedule as well as holiday and other types of travel activities that I do I'll never impose on my own passport/visa limitations. But while I'm working and then taking a trip to a Caribbean beach, my motorcycle would be still in Europe. Is a clock still running on that?

To further add information "My Intent/Plan" would be to have a bike in Europe and travel there for as many of my free months 4/5 with a total of my personal time spent in Europe less than 180 days collectively in a year.
Using a Fake timeline I know weather and other realistic factors would change this when it happens but for ease just use this generic month timeline, But if there is any extra ideas or corrections to the bulk of it let me know.
December - ship motorcycle to Europe
Jan - motorcycle and I arrive in Netherlands (Best Port for shipment that I've read) (I will have proof of ownership and third party insurance before shipping)(clock starts on entering the motorcycle for tourist purposes which as I understand I have 6 months for the motorcycle in the EEA) tour through Neatherlands, Germany, Belgium and say France where I fly out of but the motorcycle stays.
Feb - I work but the motorcycle is still there.
March - I return and do hypothetically Italy, Austria, Czech, Poland and return to France to fly out.
April - I work Motorcycle stays in France
May - I travel down to Spain and Portugal (Could I leave to UK and reset that tourist purpose clock?) (If not then a quick trip into morocco to reset?)
June - Starting the cycle of travel over again.

Continuing this type of traveling with the motorcycle would it seem that I fall legally inside the tourist purposes importation exempt statues.

Issues I see with this is something happens in April and I can't return until August would I need to go do a border run and pray nothing happens between France and an EEA boarder? And would anyone check at the borders in between that my Motorcycle over stayed its 6 month? My own passport/visa status is perfectly legal and still within time.
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