cracked it, its one of two things though, first is a possible smite of water in bottom of float bowl, maybe enough to cause issues in starting when cold, its the less likely one but as ive had the carbs off today and what barstewards they are, worse than my xjr1200 and thats saying something, the other most probable issue appeared, the manifold to the block on the slave carb side, the rubber part had detached from the metal part, which is strange as no symptoms appeared when i tested with wd 40, so it was carbs out firstly float bowl off to get rid of any water that maybe there and then use silicon the stickey type as the rubber part is fixed with some sort of glue when new and age comes into play and gives in, put it back together and started from cold full choke, success, for now anyway
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